Chris

Just watched the final two minutes of the game again as I wanted to see a few of the mistakes mentioned in here. Four things stood out.

1: The free to Brown for in the back on the wing was soft, may not have made a huge difference though as they had the ball anyway.

2: Hunts sort pass was high risk high reward, it didn't come off as the pass itself was off line, had it been on line then who knows.

3: Who ever posted that OMac was too close to Jetta in the zone right at the end when they took the mark is spot on.

4: OMac (99% sure it was but apologies if it wasn't) did what I see many players do when taking a kick from an out on the full, but this one may have had dire consequences. Players seem not to realise that once they set foot inside the boundary again then it is play on. OMac never actually got to the outside of the boundary, took the ball that was thrown to him, and as soon as he wasn't moving to get to the outside of the boundary the ump correctly called play on. That left his kick rushed and short which fell into Daw's hands with Maxy and few others trying to make up the distance he lost.

I really can't believe how many AFL players I see that miss this basic understanding of the rules. If it is out on the full boys, get yourself over the boundary and don't step back in until you are ready to kick. I have similar rant about players being called to play on while over the boundary taking a kick and it not being deemed out of bounds, but I will leave the full version of that for another day.

I don't really agree that our defense is a huge issue, although I do readily concede that it can be improved.

Overall our defense has been fairly solid, where we are weak is against the big forwards, that is obvious, and is also for a few reasons.

1: TMac has barely been back all year, he has been in the ruck and forward due to injuries. Put TMac back with OMac and Frost (or even one in the VFL at times) ad things against the big boys would be different. Not completely solved but far better.

2: The games in which our big backs have struggled have been the games where our mids have boon off, which means the delivery int eh forward line is fast and generally pretty good. That is very hard to defend. In the games where our mids are pressuring the ball carrier our backs do a good enough job. Both Frost and OMac are young and will improve, unfortunately they have ad to this on the big stage, although that could stand them in good stead in future. 

The answer to our issue with big backs is to get another big back in there so we have some sort of depth. That could be TMac going back again or bringing in someone else. Currently we simply don't have the depth and if one of them was to go down we are stuffed. The other answer is the make sure the whole team is defending, when we do that we are fine, if the mids and forwards have an off day the backs are screwed.

I actually thought all our backline did a pretty good job on the weekend. Sideshow only got 4 (yes I said only, if we had been bad down there he would have had 10), teh other talls were basically unsighted, and our small backs did a good job (with the exception of Lewis' disposal)

1 hour ago, Franky_31 said:

Anyone who thinks that "the headline is enough" in the HeraldSun to make a character judgement has serious disadvantages.

If that was aimed at me, I make no judgement on him from the headline, apart from that he shouldn't comment on the topic or we end up with the headline which just reminds the world of what happened. 

11 minutes ago, praha said:

I think the headline is misleading. If it's based on his comments on SEN, he said that planning for the future was smart but that the current draft system made it difficult for club's *not* to tank in some way if there was a potential superstar up for grabs. He calls for a lottery draft to eliminate tanking. 

I think the headline is more a reflection of the discussion happening on the live podcast. He never actually says that tanking is smart 

EDIT: Here's a link to an article about his actual comments. The headline the OP mentions links to a live blog discussing today's headlines.

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/the-easy-solution-to-kill-tanking-speculation-chris-connolly-says-the-afl-should-use-a-lottery-draft-system/news-story/40f9a97189f65ae81af960839b3a4820

Thanks for the update. Agree with his comments but he simply should not be making any comments with regard to tanking in any way shape or form. All it does is highlight our issues of years ago and allow the media to misconstrue what is said and slap it on the front page with a big picture of us. 

Just read this headline in the Hun. Can't get into the article and can't get it on Google but the headline says enough. Can't Chris just learn to shut up and not drag this up again, especially as the headline is partnered by a pic of him in a Melbourne Polo and we are about to play a team who is currently tanking!

F off Chris to the hole you came from.

16 hours ago, Fork 'em said:

Yep, but these other clowns aren't getting it.

hahahahahaha. I am yet to see a person argue that Collingwood isn't big, but I have seen a few, including me, argue that the argument you used failed the logic test. It is in fact you who isn't getting it.

On 7/26/2017 at 0:27 PM, Copuchas said:

 

We will not make top 4 if we win all remaining games and Port, Swans and Richmond do the same unless our relative percentage position improves.

Agreed that that is a statement of fact. Chances are very slim though as Port need to beat Adelaide, the saints, the dogs, and collingwood. Not sure they will knock them all off. Richmond also need to get over Geelong and St Kilda (50% chance), Sydney need to beat Geelong and Adelaide away (they have come good but are they that good?)

As you would know we need to beat North (must win), GWS (can win), Saints (should win), Brisbane (must win), and pies (should win).

At the end of the year I don't think there will be the log jam there is now. I think points will matter more than points will matter more than percentage for top 4.

56 minutes ago, Fork 'em said:

Pfft ... I'm done.
We aint no sleeping giant DH.






 

I never actually said we were. Maybe try re reading what has been said and see if you can grasp the concept of what I have said. 

8 hours ago, Fork 'em said:

My logic?
You're the one trying to say that we're a bigger club than Collingwood on the strength of one game from one year.
Turnouts for our games have been poor for decades.
There's a reason we have a reputation for going to the snow.
Collingwood supporters rep is that they turn out regardless.
That's why every club in the league requests the AFL to give them home games against them.

Actually Fork it was you who said that based on one weeks attendance we aren't a sleeping giant. I pointed out, along with others, that this logic is very flawed by saying that based on your logic Collingwood is smaller, obviously a ridiculous suggestion which was used to show the complete lack of logic in you initial post. 

Nice try at swinging it around though. 

16 minutes ago, Fork 'em said:

Ok .... I'll try to spell it out for you
If we got everyone that called themselves Collingwood supporters and everyone that that called themselves Melbourne supporters and lined them up side by side.

Their line would be at least 2 times longer than ours.
 

Agreed, but the example you used fails to show this in any way shape or form. 

10 minutes ago, Fork 'em said:

They're a proper sleeping giant.

 

Surely going by your logic that the crowd on the weekend is an indication of how big our club is then the same logic would suggest that they are an even smaller club.

I don't for a second suggest we are the size of Collingwood, but we are bigger then people think. I was simply pointing out the error in linking the crowd at one game with the size of the club. 

9 hours ago, Fork 'em said:

Pfft .... Did you see the crowd on the weekend?
We ain't no sleeping giant.

Did you see theirs? They aren't a giant at all based on the weekends attendance. 

2 hours ago, small but forward said:

They should knock Southland down and put it there. Win win.

I could walk to the games! Bloody great idea!

8 minutes ago, ManDee said:

?

Obviously Norwood (redleg connection), and the other wood one might get when we play well.

1 minute ago, Cranky Franky said:

Is how boring and predictable the game is becoming.  Its becoming like a bad game of rugby union.  Its mostly congested and horrible.  The second half of the game against Port was boooring in the extreme.

I used to watch 3 or 4 games on the weekend now I can't be bothered unless the Dees are on TV.  I predict crowds will drop and less people will attend games.  Then sponsors will offer less $$ and when this happens the AFL will look at the rules to minimise congestion.

My teenage boys who were brought up on AFl now prefer to watch the Rugby League.

 

 

All it will take is a coach to work out how to beat it and it will change. Problem is that since Pagans paddock every change has been further and further towards 36 players following the ball around the ground. 

29 minutes ago, small but forward said:

To the other side of the Yarra.

Except to get to the G.

Luckily it is only just the other side, if it was much further I would ignore its existence as I do with everything else out that way.

26 minutes ago, bandicoot said:

20kgs??? Weideman already weighs 96kg. Not sure how much more than 100 he needs to be. He will need to start playing games at CHF next year after another solid pre season. No room for t mac in the forward line if this happens 

Not at CHF, Hogan should play there. Weird should be FF

33 minutes ago, Deebymistake said:

I remember watching Jetta at a Luna Park family day a few years back.  He was there with his partner & young child/children.  No fans around him & quite inconspicuous.  Don't imagine it will be this way at the next family day.....  

P.S. 1st post on this site....  long time reader.  My love for Jetta took over & compelled me to type  

Welcome, but I am not sure you can ever say that being a dee is a mistake, misfortune maybe, but never a mistake. 

12 hours ago, Redleg said:

Has always been his problem, poor disposal. It needs to get sorted out.

He was improving this a lot before he got injured. When he is in good form it is Ok but not elite. Yesterday he seemed in form in getting the ball and influencing the contest but his disposal wasn't great by his standards. 

Can't believe this but I agree with you on Tyson. Got heaps of, was important, but gee he was wasteful. 

22 hours ago, ProDee said:

Let me elaborate.  

There is huge Aboriginal disadvantage, but 'reconciliation' hasn't had positive outcomes within Aboriginal communities.

Reconciliation week started in the 1990's yet today Aboriginal women are 31 times more likely to be hospitalised by their partner.  High jail rates continue, as does low life expectancy and school attendance.  

The sooner reconciliation is abandoned for more progressive measures and the sooner Aboriginal leaders start embracing the future and not the past then we might start seeing a difference to the quality of life in Aboriginal communities.

For me, there shouldn't be a divide between our indigenous communities and broader Australia and the "blame games" linked to 'reconciliation' don't enhance our Aboriginal communities.

I do a bit of work with our local Indigenous Communities and Traditional Owners and they are a varied mob, just like all of Australia. Yes there are members of the community who want to point fingers and blame people, but the ones who are getting things done and closing the gap on both sides are the ones who recognise the past for what it was as it is that past which puts the current into context and allows us to move towards a better brighter future for all. 

I think many get stuck in that the past is something along time ago when in fact things like the stolen generation were done to living members of the community and the general disadvantage is still prevalent today. Looking at why that is and why it has been and acknowledging that is the only way to actually truely move forward. The groups I work with now are fantastic, they will tell you about the past and teach you their stories without blame or malice but as just statements of fact, through that understanding it has made my life much easier to understand their motives and their thoughts on certain things.

3 hours ago, Petraccattack said:

B:   N Jetta      O McDonald   M Hibberd

HB:  J Hunt       S Frost         J Lewis

C:   C Salem     C Oliver        D Tyson

HF: M Hannan  T McDonald   J Watts

F:   J Garlett      J Hogan        C Petracca

R:   M Gawn      N Jones       J Viney

Int:   J Melksham   A Neal Bullen  B Vince   J Harmes

 

Very little chance Brayshaw makes it back into the seniors, and also you forgot Salem.

Being reported that Salem is a good chance this weekend, is he going to get injured again, if you know can you let us all know when to look away!

28 minutes ago, ManDee said:

Essendon prove why they have no paperwork.

I bet they would blame someone else for putting the shredder in the wrong place too! Pick one of Dank, WADA, ASADA, the AFL, or simply that all the other clubs were doing it too.

Just now, mrtwister said:

Schofield got off because the AFL couldn't prove that olivers self reported sore jaw couldn't have happened from when he made contact with Schofields spine. I don't think Adelaide have said Eddie had any issues with the contact. Different argument. 

That came down the amount of impact, they argued there was little impact and the saw jaw could have been from anything, including Clarry running into the back of Schofield. Why would we not be able to argue that Betts had no saw jaw so there was no real impact? If they let precedent play out we would win.

5 minutes ago, Clint Bizkit said:

Footage of his strike is at 3:05 in the below link.

http://www.afl.com.au/video/2017-07-17/mrp-preview-has-dusty-done-his-dash

The MRP said the incident was "careless" and not "intention'.

Spare me.

He flat out punched him in the head! How that could not be seen as intentional is beyond me, although I guess he wasn't holding chopsticks so its all good (actually its all good even when he is!)