Gator

I'm going to have a far more enjoyable year than you.

If/when he does sign during the next off-season no trend will have been bucked. You rarely hear of other player's contracts being discussed two seasons out. There'd be other players in Hogan's situation right now. Some players only sign on for two years, which is the current length. He might buck a trend if he signs post season in 2017, but not this year.

^^^ I'm going to have to ban myself from this thread...

Just a smart move. Most players don't negotiate a new contract 2 years out. Some do, but if I was Hogan's manager and there was going to be a new CBA I'd say wait too. I doubt it's Hogan's idea, just good management, which is what he's paying for. Unlike Pirlo above, I'm very relaxed that he'll stay. He loves his teammates and they love him.

Of course it was peronal, whatever that means. Baggie and I often disagree at the edges, but usually concur with the bigger stuff. Not always, but usually. So what did you think of Oliver on Friday ?

He lives in Canberra... Btw, did he ever answer your post re his assertion that Hogan is a mercenary ?

Nah. I'd had a couple of lovely reds that night if I remember correctly (maybe one too many) and the sight of a Jordie McKenzie look alike was too much to bear, especially as I was then keen on Parish. In the cool light day I thought I'd better take a closer look. It took nano seconds to realise my previous offering was moron worthy. Aghast, I quickly retracted and have been a "Clarriefier" ever since.

Isn't it really only that @#%_ Dwayne Russell that is desperate for him to leave ? I stand to be corrected.

OK. They're penalised substance abusers, who were deemed to have acted inappropriately within a systemic injection regime. How about peptide cheats ?

And you would know that I retracted that comment within 24 hours of making it. You can't retract being a simpleton.

Naturally, you're welcome to it, but your assessment is rubbish. Having taken him at pick 3, clearly the club agrees. Why you don't at hold fire on your views until you have at least some exposed form with the MFC is beyond me.

Why would you question it ? Clearly you don't know, so back the recruiters until you're in a position to make an informed assessment. His footy smarts in congestion look elite to me, albeit not yet exposed at AFL level.

It's nothing to do with pedantry, we obviously disagree.

From Stevens, "Jess Hogan had strongly indicated he didn't want to talk contracts through 2016". I don't believe that's ever been the case. Hogan has never said I'm putting contract talks off until the end of 2016. In fact, I heard representatives from his management company say there'd be dialogue over summer. Then there was subsequent talk that they were in no hurry to enter a contract, which is different to Stevens' statement above. Hogan's manger Matt Bain was quoted in October last year saying, “The club’s had a lot of changes over the last three years but they’re starting to get a lot of consistency through the staff,” Bain told Trade Radio. “He’s obviously open to (a long-term deal). I guess for him it’s seeing the long-term future of the club.” “He’s still got two years left on his contract so it’s not something we have to do overnight,” Bain stressed. “He loves it in Melbourne, if he was to be delisted tomorrow he’d stay here.” So, there was never any "strong indication he didn't want to talk contracts through 2016", as Stevens asserts. Journalists need to report accurately, but I find they often don't.

Please yourself. I suspect it's time to put you on ignore, like Stu.

Where did I tell you what you could or couldn't discuss ? I just highlighted the banality.

To discuss whether he might stay or leave after the 5 years left on his contract ? I think you'd be in a room by yourself.

I'm not sure "whinge" is the right word. Would I look down my nose at you ? Of course. Life has so many things to ponder and that wouldn't be one of them.

By your logic it would be worth discussing if he had 5 years to go. Players rarely want to leave a club they're happy at and I see zero evidence to suggest Hogan isn't happy. Perhaps have a modicum of faith in the character in question, especially when they've already signed an extension. It's called judging things on face value. That said, who am I to deter precious souls.

And this needs answering ?

Why on earth people worry about this when he's contracted for the next 2 years is beyond me.

They're actually very good stats that show clear progression.

He might, but not as a footballer. Two four hour flights every second weekend for a big bloke with a back to manage is hardly conducive to a football career. Especially when you didn't debut until you were 20.

Gysberts

Thanks Baz.