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I've not suffered from either affliction, but am aware it's a problem across society. As it's an important issue, my suggestion is to pin this thread. I've never opened it, but there's a similar thread pinned on the main page of BigFooty and it has over 400 posts. Some might like to also reference that thread.

If you don't think Hibberd is a "gun" and only rate him "slightly higher than Melksham" to use your words, then I doubt you'd recognise a gun if it was pointed at your temple.

You don't rate Hibberd, so I find your views on Jones interesting.

He's in my Dreamteam, so i watch him a bit. He's OK, but he turns it over by foot a lot and I'm not sure how he differentiates from what we already have. I'm not the most romantic guy, so the fact he's Nathan's brother means zero to me.

Is meh the term ?

Another 5 votes on Monday (votes from both coaches). He's equal 4th the AFLCA leaderboard after round 5. AFLCA LEADERBOARD 34 Rory Sloane (Adel) 31 Joel Selwood (Geel) 29 Ollie Wines (PA) 25 Dustin Martin (Rich) 25 Clayton Oliver (Melb) 23 Zach Merrett (Ess) 21 Luke Shuey (WC) 21 Elliot Yeo (WC) 20 Patrick Dangerfield (Geel) 20 Robbie Gray (PA) 20 David Mundy (Frem)

He's not the answer as a fill in ruckman. Won't happen.

If he keeps going he'll win this year's B&F. Would definitely be presently leading. Will be the club's best midfielder since Barassi.

I don't think he's "sub par" for a 7 game 19 year old key forward. I like the traits I see. Happy to disagree and we'll both watch him develop with the same hopes in mind.

Not to mention Weideman is still 19. I think many forget he's still a teenager. Darcy Moore is 21 and still struggling.

Glad you went to the trouble. I couldn't give a rat's toss bag either way. I shared the information as I thought some may be interested and I also made it clear that I wasn't certain of the veracity of the claims.

Disagree. A post that lacks insight. He read the play well and made good decisions under the pressure of his first game. Goog handballs, good decisions, good reading of the play. He's a nice mover and will be a very good player by the time he's 23.

He's very brave in the air and will crash packs when he gets bigger, but it's not "all he has". You either didn't see or have forgotten his first game against Hawthorn in round 20 last year. Some of his linking handballs up the ground were excellent and showed that his ground skills and decision making were very good. He had 11 handballs that day. Saying "he's only got" when you have such a small sample size for a very young key forward is close minded. I think he'll have a nicely rounded game.

I look forward to your search and subsequent report.

The following was posted by a Saints fan. I can't vouch for the veracity, but I'd be concerned if I supported St Kilda. "Read this article it has some interesting information... After reading this. If its true. I'm actually surprised we drafted a big pack marking forward with type 1 diabetes." "Diabetics cannot withstand head impacts as well as those who are non-diabetic. This is because brain cells in diabetics have a very poor ability to use glucose and all diabetics tend to be deficient in magnesium. Magnesium is critical to ATP and energy production. In diabetes, since the brain has a poor ability to use energy, this makes the brain more sensitive to the effects of excitatory neurotransmitters like glutamate, which are released in massive amounts following a concussion."

Oliver isn't getting in Viney's way, just like Dangerfield doesn't get in Selwood's. Viney hasn't been playing a hard tag, but he did sacrifice some of his game as he kept Steven quiet and has played a slightly more defensive role in 2017. If he could stop running around to try and get on his left when it's silly to do so it would help his game. We should perhaps look at our midfield as a collective, because they have specific roles that we're not necessarily privy to.

As others have pointed out, Nathan Jones has actually taken another step. The likes of Oliver have taken the heat off Jones and freed him up to be more damaging on the outside. He must be loving footy in 2017.

I reckon Dustin Martin is a reasonable comparison. They're different players, but at the same time have similar traits. Martin would now be considered in the top 5 players in the game along with Dangerfield, Fyfe, Franklin and Bontempelli. Martin was highly rated very quickly in his AFL journey, but it was his 4th season before he really broke out and elevated his game to a higher plane. He's continued on and taken his game to new levels, particularly this year (season 8). In his third year he averaged 22.4 disposals (Petracca is averaging 21.7 this year), marks 3.2 (Petracca 7), tackles 3 (1), kicked 23 goals at an average of 1.2 (1.3), and had 85 ranking points (Petracca 90). I think by year's end Petracca's second year will be very similar to Martin's third and by then people were criticising Melbourne for not even interviewing Martin let alone drafting him. It's reasonable to compare Petracca's second year to Martin's third as Petracca is still a few months older than Martin was the corresponding year, although Martin hadn't had interrupted preseasons. Petracca is tracking fine.

Trust your eyes. While not express, he's powerful and far from slow.

He's averaging 21 disposals, 7 marks, 1.3 goals (30 goal season), top 30 in league for goal assists, and 90 ranking points (last year 67). He's yet to have a breakout game, but he's a very important player, who's performing his role well and bringing his teammates into the game with some clever decision making. McCartin on the other hand ...

Not asking about Brayshaw because not a person on this site would want him "delisted", but plenty thought Hunt's time was up. If you'd just said, "No, I was happy retaining Hunt", no further questions would have been asked. I can't be bothered searching the archives to make sure.

Did you "call" for Hunt's delisting ?

He didn't answer the question, Your Honour.

You have a very good memory.

I agree entirely. Where he gets the footy there will always be the odd mistake, but his smarts and clean hands are almost unparalleled. He had 4 clangers yesterday, Dangerfield had 6, Wines 5, Pendlebury 5, and O'Meara 9. I'm not fond of the DE% stat, but he went at 80, while some others with similar numbers were well below. Tom Mitchell 63, Dangerfield 62, Tyson 62, Treloar 65, Gaff 63, Pendlebury 72. There were a few close to his mark. After 15 games he still has a lot to learn, but we have an incredible ball magnet and young bull on our hands.