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Caddy is aggressive, which I like, but he's also a fumbler and two grabber, which I don't.  For me he lacks class.

I'll be shocked if we take him at 6.  I wouldn't take him with 11.

37 minutes ago, Garbo said:

I’d say best chance of getting pick 1 would be package up 6 and futures 1st for 3 and then trade 3 and 11 for 1

My views are different to many but I reckon Duursma has every chance of being as good as Reid, or close to it.  So pick 3 would do me.

If we retain pick 6 I'd be taking Curtin, if he was there.

EDIT: I really like Tarkyn O'Leary for a rookie spot, but I suspect he'll be drafted late.

1 hour ago, Mach5 said:

Yes, as others have detailed in various threads, it looks like if we can’t get pick 1, we might make a play to get involved to help facilitate a 3-way trade for pick 1 to go to North, with us getting higher up the order for Duursma & WC being guaranteed of Curtin.

Assuming Curtin would be there at 6, something along the lines of:

Melb:   6, 11, F1   >    2, 17, 23

North:  2, 15, 17  >    1, F1

WC:      1, 23        >    6, 11, 15

I think we’d want to wait for them to come to us and participate reluctantly, so as to get more in return for the party agitating the trade.

I thought maybe we could even engage with Hawthorn to get them pick 1, but they’d need to throw in a F1 because their other assets aren’t great & anything they get in return this year might be consumed by matching a bid for McCabe.

North keep pick 3 ?

I doubt West Coast are doing that trade.  They'll want one of North's picks 2 or 3.

Draft guru Mick Ablett said on SEN this morning that he thinks three clubs will be involved with the pick one move, i.e. West Coast, North and us.

If we can't get Reid I'd love to get Duursma by getting involved and somehow securing pick 3.

My Brother thinks he's a list clogger.  

I don't share his perturbation.  But there will be others with a similar view.

Good bit of business by the Dees.

If you got his best every week he'd be a staple in the best 22 and a valuable player on your list. 

Right age, experience, skills, etc.

Up to him. 

1 minute ago, YesitwasaWin4theAges said:

It's a crucial year for our number 3, looking forward to a fit and roaring Salem to be our pivotal running quarterback.

Missed his influence in the last 2 years for reasons unknown.

Need him back to his best.

Hardly.

His Sister lives in Adelaide, but his parents are a 6 hour plus drive, nonetheless, there's obviously a strong lure to Adelaide.

But I wouldn't cave, because he can help us win a flag next year.  And a lot can change in 12 months.

I don't buy into the narrative that his head won't be in the game in 2024.  Pride of performance and the right environment ensures that.

As for Harley Reid ?  I think we're still a real chance with the hand we hold.  There are growing views that Curtin will be available at pick 6.  North love McKercher and are also said to be keen on Duursma and I think they're the most likely to take Curtin.

If WC are convinced Curtin will be available at pick 6, and if they rate him close to Reid as a potential pick 1, they may well be prepared to trade pick one to get another WA player like Hardeman (or whoever) with pick 11 (plus our F1).

If they keep pick one their next pick will be close to 30.  As good as Reid is they'll worry about the flight risk and one gun kid isn't a lot for finishing last.

Worst case we pick Curtin with 6 (or maybe Sanders), as he looks like he's going to be a gun.  

In the last 6 quarters Petty and van Rooyen played togather Melbourne scored 182 points and the two combined for 14 goals.

It's a small sample size, but encouraging nonetheless.  When they were mising as a pairing for the last 20 quarters of the season the team's score was a little more than half as good per quarter. 

Just now, Binmans PA said:

They got one premiership out of Judd, Cousins, Kerr, Cox etc.

I think he's referring to Kennedy being pivotal in 2018.

15 minutes ago, Binmans PA said:

It's probably a moot point anyway isn't it, as we agree that Rivers won't be traded.

Yes and he only extended this year until the end of 2027.

48 minutes ago, Binmans PA said:

If they think they can get Curtin with 6, and they get Rivers for 'free', then yep.

Curtin going at 6 is the only way I see us being able to tempt West Coast anyway, unless of course it was JVR and 6 + 11 or whatever.

I disagree.

I agree that they'd only take 6 if they were sure they'd get Curtin, but they will think that this pick one is one of the most valuable picks ever and that they'd only trade it to cash in in a super strong way.

Curtin for Reid with just Rivers as the sweetener ?  No way would they consider that, imo.

Just now, Binmans PA said:

I reckon 6 and Rivers would do the trick. But it won't happen. 

You reckon they'd trade Reid for pick 6 and Rivers ?

I don't see it.

But I agree that it won't happen.

2 minutes ago, chookrat said:

I think that WCE would want Darling's salary of $800k x 2 years off their books and so would view trading him favourably as a salary dump.

Darling is now a hack.  I could see him having one more decent year and kick 40 goals if his body was right, but I have no real interest in recruiting him and agree that WC would want his salary off their books.

He'd purley be a mechanism for recruiting Reid.

But I also agree with others in that there's little point getting pick one at the expense of Petty.  I'd keep Petty and van Rooyen, as they're too important in a premiership quest.

I'd reluctantly consider trading WA boy Rivers to get pick one.

Do I like Rivers ?  Absolutely, but Reid will be a competition star.  These are the sorts of deals you have to consider to perhaps get your hands on a generational type player.

6, 11, plus Rivers ?  Hmmm.  West Coast fans wouldn't think it would be enough.  They'd want a F1 thrown in also.

While Dees fans would think it's too much, because most supporters can't remove emotion and therefore their thinking isn't their strong suit.

3 minutes ago, Palace Dees said:

The majority of MFC players are like children to me and I'm devastated when they leave. Others, like Chandler, are more like nephews. Sad to see them leave, but if it means an upgrade, we'll then, sorry bro.....🙄

From a newspaper today over in the West:

Jack Darling: West Coast Eagles forward on trade table as part of potential North Melbourne No.1 pick deal

West Coast has made veteran forward Jack Darling available for trade if it helps the Eagles turn pick one into a life raft of early draft selections.

As North Melbourne, Melbourne and Hawthorn clamber to entice the Eagles to part with the coveted first selection in the November 20 AFL national draft.

The West Australian understands Darling is on the table, but only at the right price.

Complicating the matter is the 31-year-old has a young family and does not want to leave Perth.

The Eagles’ premiership player also has two years remaining on a five-year contract, worth about $800,000 per season, which will also come into salary cap calculations in any negotiations.

The Kangaroos have already shown interest and insiders suggest Melbourne would also be willing to take on Darling to help solve its forward line riddle.

The Demons, Kangaroos and Hawks are desperate to gain the No. 1 pick so they can draft gun Victorian youngster Harley Reid.

North Melbourne added pick 3 to 2, 3, 15, 17, 18, 57, and 65 to its suite after Ben McKay’s free agency move to Essendon.

It gives the Roos the whip hand to package up a deal, which is where Darling may come into play.

The Kangaroos have already made an offer of picks 15, 18, 21, and a future end-of-first-round for No. 1 — an ambit claim that was quickly rejected by the Eagles – with stronger offers expected to come in the last three days of the AFL’s Trade Period which winds up on Wednesday.

Darling could be an ideal addition to the North Melbourne attack alongside Nick Larkey as the Kangaroos look to add experience and depth to the forward line.

But Melbourne is also poised for a play at Reid and entered the bidding war when it secured pick 11 from Gold Coast to No. 6 which it landed via Fremantle last year in the Luke Jackson deal.

The Demons have picks 6, 11, 42, and 47 at their disposal and view a player with Darling’s experience as crucial with their premiership window open.

The Demons have struggled to kick winning scores this season with key targets Ben Brown and Tom McDonald missing large chunks and forcing them to park Brodie Grundy and Max Gawn in the forward 50. Jake Melksham is also out for 12 months with an ACL and Grundy has now joined Sydney.

Harrison Petty has knocked back an offer to move to Adelaide, but may look at it again at the end of next season.

West Australian Demon Jacob van Rooyen is contracted til the end of 2025 and is seen as a key part of Melbourne’s future plans, but might be expendable if Reid is the reward.

An offer of six, 11 and van Rooyen would be hard for the Eagles to turn down, unless the Roos slap down a trump hand.

Hawthorn is not considered in play for Darling as it chases Mabior Chol from Gold Coast and is in negotiations with Brisbane for premiership player Jack Gunston to return to the club.

The Eagles are also keen on pick two or three so they can secure one of their prime draft targets, Claremont defender Daniel Curtin.

Apart from Darling’s reluctance to move, the Eagles are also keen to hang on to experience, following the retirement of veterans Luke Shuey, Shannon Hurn and Nic Naitanui.

Darling was firm in his belief he wanted to remain a one-club player when he re-signed in 2019.

“I grew up supporting the Eagles, so to be here for my entire career is something I’ll look back on proudly,” Darling told the West Coast website.

“I always thought I was going to be a one-club player. I’m just really excited that the club has backed me in like they have my whole career.”

Darling has played 277 games, including 20 this season.

He sits on 510 goals and 265 behinds over his AFL career, third on the Eagles’ all-time list behind Josh Kennedy (712) and needs only another four to equal Peter Sumich in second position.

Darling’s 26 goals in 2023 was his lowest tally since his debut season in 2011.

I wouldn't dismiss the idea of Darling.

If his head and body are right he's still a 40 goal forward.

van Rooyen is going nowhere, but it does open the possibility of the club doing a deal with Petty.

Petty for 10 and 14, or 10 plus McAdam...

Personally, I'd keep Petty but it makes the last few days very interesting.

6, 10, and 11 for ONE and Darling.

Another Duursma fan here.

Ii reckon he could be the best from this draft.  He or Reid would be wonderful.

Caddy ?  I'm not a fan.  I wouldn't take him in the top 20.

Adding a player like Mathieson is what the Dees of old would have done.

List places are too important now to waste spots on scrubbers like Mathieson.

8 hours ago, picket fence said:

Also overated by some!

On the contrary Petracca is underrated by plenty of Melbourne supporters and the broader media.

Our game is all about contest and defence, but ultimately it's measured by scores.

Over the last three years Petracca has been the number one 'score involvement' player by some margin.  But he's been able to do it while also being number one for 'inside 50s', 'goal assists' and 'metres gained' during the same period.

He's also number 2 over the last 3 years for 'contested possessions' behind only Oliver and second for 'disposals' in general.

If you consider him ''overrated'', you must have a measurement you're comparing him to.

Considering there's not a player in the league that can match his overall output over the last 3 years I'll be fascinated to know what it is.

8 hours ago, Pennant St Dee said:

My wife was 7 months pregnant with a 13 month old.

Not that I'm trying to top you, but my wife was 7 months pregnant with an 11 month old ...

1 hour ago, Lewis said:

I’m worried about Petty and the Crows

Petty's family home is in Wudinna, which is 570km from Adelaide and a 6 hour drive.  He was a boarder at a school in Adelaide, but family ties are nowhere near Adelaide.

He's contracted until 2025 and I have zero concerns about him leaving.

22 hours ago, BDA said:

Trac is an excellent player. Very powerful and great in the contest. he can turn games.

But he butchers the ball regularly. Terrible set shot for an elite player. Bont or Daicos don't waste possessions at anything like the rate Trac does.

Still, Petracca has had 62 scoring shots to Bontempelli's 33.

Over the last 2 years Petracca has had 50 more score involvements than the next best player, i.e. 410 to 360.

Let that sink in.  Fifty more score involvements than the player coming second over 2 seasons.

He gets marked harshly, Petracca.

8 minutes ago, BaliDemon said:

Riley Beveridge reporting on SEN Crunch Time that the AFL are going to recommend an assistance package to North Melbourne of:

- End of first round pick in 2023

- End of first round pick in 2024

- End of second round pick in 2024

- No priority access to Riley Sanders 

** Pick 3 compensation for McKay is a separate issue. Will “likely happen” but won’t have anything to do with assistance package.  

It was Tom Morris.

Btw, I like your style.  😉

Petracca is the reason the game was one.

6 Petracca

5 Viney

4 Fritsch

3 Neale-Bullen

2 May

1 Oliver