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Mr Saty. This conversation started, as I recall, after I posted some comments after the final Practice game at Casey before the start of season, Casey demolished Box Hill. You made remark that Tyson was among the best players, though I panned his disposal. For the record, I am one of many on this site who's eyeballs oscillate in opposite directions every time the Tyson lad passes to the opposition. In the end, it's my observation. You have yours. I Can we leave it at that? What is the point of arguing about Tyson?????

Because until he repents and changes his sinful ways..... Lighten up, DC, like I've repeatedly said, I like the boy, I instinctively like sinners...

You have not suffered as many daggers to the heart by Melbourne players - obviously - as I have. I started barracking for them while watching them lose the 1958 Grand Final - I was always an underdog man - and since 1964, the almost good to very good periods under Northey and Daniher - there was also a pretty good year under Skilton in 1976 when a point kicked by Robert Walls instead of a goal - would have given us a finals berth at a time the Demons were smashing a few sides. LIke I keep repeating, I have great sympathy for Tyson, I always wish him well, but he's kicked a pass to the opposition way too often for me. I am glad he played well today, glad for all involved...Though, having said that, I note guys like Wrecker downgrading his performance today. Also, I think judging players simply by the number of possessions can be misleading. I'm not typing rocket science here, it's just bloody obvious. I also felt a little dismayed when Brian Taylor kept praising Tyson's disposal during the last game Tyson played in the seniors.

Good sides wine those contests. How often have Melbourne had a lot more scoring shots - even one of the opening games against Geelong last year - and still been beaten over the last few years?

Why? I'm not the only one who wants him to do well but gets frustrated time and time again by his perverted disposal. An ex AFL player said to me last week that Melbourne need to get rid of Tyson. He's a turnover machine, the guy said.

I sincerely wish him well but every turnover is a dagger to the heart.

Like I've said before, he looks dejected and unsure...I feel sorry for him.

Alleluia

I've spoken to him at Casey Fields a couple of times when he was watching his son. He's a beautiful, thoughtful man. I wish him all the best.

Hey, I can move the goalposts any time I like. I am ProDee.

Just for the record, Choke, I received a warning for a poor attempt at humour regarding Stephen Stretch about 18 months ago, and Grapeviney banned me for nearly three months after an argument with ProDee. I think the evidence shows that Grapeviney basically turns a blind eye to all of ProDee's fascist rubbish, and that Nasherand Demonland, the so-called administrators, don't give a flying fluck about the likes of ProDee.

No. I'm not even a leftie type. The Stalin years are as bad as the Nazi years as far as the death count: some historians say substantially worse.China too was the victim of ideological purging. I think you need to be very careful about placing North Korea into that category, I think you really have to allow the facts to speak over the brainwashed propaganda that's taken over the brains of most of the western world. Did you know, for instance, that after the USA had finished with North Korea in the fifties, after using more bombs than were used during the entire second world war there were not two bricks on top of each other in the whole landscape called North Korea. Tell me, Drysdale, what was the cause of that Korean War? When answering, please keep in mind that the greatest war mongering nation in the world during the 20th century - they've been involved in a war every 2 and a half years since 1989 as well - told blatant lies to the world to justify all of them. Do you recall the bayoneting of humi cribs in Kuwait, do you remember the Gulf of Tonkin incident, do you remember the weapons of mass destruction???????

Kind words, ,wonderful insights, thank you so much Grapeviney, thank you so much...

Zyloprim, ah, what a wunderbahr drug...

As I constantly discover, there is absolutely no point in trying to discuss anything with fanatics. There are so many on this site...

Fair enough, chuck them in as well. It is after all, the European way; didn't mean to be so selective.

Christians have killed Christians for two hundred thousand years, I.E. since AD whenever the first christians started butchering each other. The muslim faith began in the 7th Century. That means they've been killing each other and others for roughly 14 hundred years. Their death count pales beneath the Christian yoke of Hiroshima/Nagasaki, the murders and fatalities of the two 20th century world wars, the uncounted deaths from various USA invasions and wars, not to mention the millions killed by the Brits in India and all the other so-called Brit colonies... In other words, Wrecker, hundreds of thousand of years is back to pre-history, way way long before the Muslims arose from Mecca. I think either your calculator is calibrated by your anti-Muslim brain or you are a mental midget. Which would you prefer?

You sure are digging them up now. What if I posted a thousand similar videos of atrocities committed by the IDF, or quotes from Israeli politicians calling for ...what the, ProDee, you will never desist from your catalogue of hatred and propaganda. Nor will I desist from pointing out that you are just that, a medium for hatred and propaganda. In the meantime, people are being slaughtered, have been since 1948. To people like you that means nothing. To people with a sense of humanity this is an awful tragedy. Spreading propaganda and lies does not alleviate anything. All it does is to close and blind minds and hearts. Think again. The death toll is totally and absolutely disproportionate. Something is wrong here. You can't try to get away with continually making the victim the problem. People Ilan pappe describes as mental midgets are the real problem. People like you, ProDee, people like ET, to a lesser extent people like Grapeviney who simply regurgitates the lies and propaganda he's been inculcated with. Everybody needs to go through the process of ridding themselves of their inculcated prejudices. Just because you have grown up being told this is so, in the end, real humans have to ask the question, Why is this so? Is this really so? Why, if this is so do so many people suffer, why do so many people believe this is simply not so? I very much doubt you have ever gone through this process. Rather, I believe, you are happy and warm and comfortable living in that self-imposed igloo of ignorance and prejudice, an igloo built upon the foundation of the prejudices you were born and bred under. Good luck to you, PD, with the likes of you the world will never become a better place.

God forbid, the local Pizza place gone. What a world scale tragedy of the first order. Have you ever had your kid blinded by phosphorus bombs?

You use the term logic. I'm afraid the word is an alien species to defenders of Zionism. How else would you comprehend the ravings of Netanyahu or Trump????

What about the claim by Jews like Shlomo Sand- Jewish Historian - and Arthur Koestler, Nobel Prize winning Jewish writer that the Ashkenazi Jews descend from a Turcic tribe called the Khazars???

What precisely, Grapeviney, is The Promised Land? I agree entirely that if more Jews had gone to Palestine it would have been better for all mankind. If they then, had they gone there, become useful and co-operative immigrants, Palestine could now be like Australia, and many other nations, a democratic melting pot. Instead, somehow the Zionists deemed it right and proper and just that once they got there, they would take the place over and make it a homeland only for Jews. I find that totally inhumane and tragic, especially in the context that the first Zionist settlers were welcomed by the native population. It was only when the penny dropped about the real intention of Zionists that the natives became restless. Like I say, Grapeviney, imagine that wherever you live was declared as Aboriginal land. I' would just love to see and witness your reaction... At the bottom of all this, I suspect, is the foundation notion that somehow Jews are entitled to Palestine because god gave it to them. I make this assumption because you use the term The Promised land. I admit I don't understand this notion that god is a real estate agent. I really don't. Nor do I believe any rational being on the planet believes this either. Yet, on the other hand, however, as certain friends of mine are fond of saying... Maybe I simply know too many Jews who really despise every aspect of Zionism, I know too many Jews, in other words, who aren't afraid to face what Israel really has become. And also, unfortunately, for the likes of you and ET and PD, I know too much about the real history of what really happened and is happening in Gaza and the Occupied territories. I know too much about the illegal settlements, I know too much about how Netanyahu and Lieberman and his like are inhumane, lying, fascist lunatics.

Great stuff, Jara...

Ever had phosphorus bombs delivered to your house, your school, your hospital? Ever been shot at by the best armed snipers in the world for attending a demonstration? Ever been confined to a ghetto like your relatives were and the people of Gaza are? Ever had your town ethnically cleansed, every single inhabitant murdered? Look up Deir Yassin. Read Benny Morris confirming it. And that's just for a start in terms of the number of villages and towns which suffered the same fate.

I have often wondered how Israel supporters in the USA and Australia would react if the UN decided to give the USA and Australia back to the original inhabitants...