dieter

6 minutes ago, BoBo said:

Couldn’t pull up Weids numbers so we compare could you…?

Remember, unlike Geelong, the Demons were ordinary in 2016, 2017, 2019 and 2020....

And during crunchtime in 2018, he was aweseome.

18 minutes ago, Sir Why You Little said:

Most of them!!

Remember it took him 5 years to establish himself:

11 minutes ago, Sir Why You Little said:

Most of them!!

We need to keep in mind that , as I recall, it took him at least three years to crack a regular game...

5 hours ago, Demonland said:

Clarrie still in control at the top.

91. Clayton Oliver 

70. Christian Petracca

60. Max Gawn 

52. Steven May 

46. Ed Langdon 

45. Angus Brayshaw 

22. Jake Bowey

19. Luke Jackson

18. James Harmes

13. Ben Brown Jack Viney 

11. James Jordon

9. Alex Neal-Bullen

6. Sam Weideman 

5. Jayden Hunt Harry Petty Charlie Spargo Tom Sparrow

4. Kysaiah Pickett 

3. Joel Smith

2. Bayley Fritsch 

6: Brayshaw

5: Oliver

4: Petracca

3: May

2: Langdon

1: Spargo

I started following the Dees as a nine year old in 1959:

1: Smith

2: Goodwin

3: Daniher

:4 Northey

5: A toss up between Balme and Skilton who took us within a bee's stinger of the Final 4 in 1976.

I detect an underlying sense of 'put down' of Joel Smith in some of these posts. As though copping injury after injury is a sign of weakness or self indulgence. I would have thought compassion would be more appropriate.

6: Gawn

5: Oliver

4: Petracca

3: Brayshaw

2:Brown

1: May

On holidays at Goolwa Beach, don't laugh, we go precisely because it's not Beach Weather.

Only able to watch the replay today and have only watched the first 3 quarters so far.

Some Observations:

- A good 'Team Effort', especially considering that Melbourne was without 6 of its Premiership side.

-There were many contributors: Melksham, Bedford, Dunstan, McDonald, Weideman, players who did the hard and unrewarded things.

-In the first half, when Hawthorn had most of the play, it was difficult for Spargo, Weidemann, Fritsch, McDonald and Harmes, and Brown to make their cases. They all made contributions during the game.

-I note some petty remarks about Jordon and Melksham: cheap shots.

-I like the idea of  Smith, and desperately want him to succeed but...I'd love to see him play a full game where he 'nails it'. The turn around game from which confidence builds. 

On 5/1/2022 at 7:45 PM, FireInTheBennelly said:

Does he poo and wee all over it?

We pick up: there are people in a dog park on the other Western side of Elgar Road, west of a Secondary College, Kooyong country, who don't...just saying...

4 hours ago, chook fowler said:

The ground surface looks like a cow paddock. Substandard.

Moniz- Wakefield looks a goer

I live around the corner from this ground. We are at Goolwa Beach at the moment, left Melbourne on Friday, and it was a bit uncanny turning on the TV and seeing a live broadcast from my neighborhood. I couldn't get over how long the grass was...It's normally a highly maintained oval. My dog loves it...

6; Gawn

5: Oliver

4: May

3: Langdon

2: Petty

1: Bowey

3 hours ago, Old Bear said:

Sunshine  just before they folded

Played for them as an Under 16: got among the best players in an Under 16 Semi, my opponent was Laurie Sandilands. I kicked 2 that day,

11 minutes ago, Jaded No More said:

Putting everything else aside, this is a very important point.

Attendance is well down, sure that might be partly due to Covid, but there is no doubt that a lot of people are finding themselves less and less interested in the game due to the constant changing of rules, poor umpiring and the standard of games.

Without fans and members the AFL has nothing. The MRO and umpiring, as well as the rules committee, needs a serious overhaul. The lack of basic consistency, common sense and fairness is becoming a real issue for fans who are disengaging from the game.

I don't think you will find a single AFL fan who thinks umpires should be verbally or physically abused. Everyone deserves respect in the workplace, and there is no room for abuse on the ground. Hell, there is no room for players to verbally abuse each other either if you ask me. But we can't expect emotions to be in check to such a level that players can't show any frustration. It is human nature when you invest your whole life in something and things don't go your way to be upset. To expect anything less from players is asking them to perfectly control their emotions on top of all the other things they need to execute perfectly on the field. 

The AFL is focused so heavily on TV rights and media deals, but if nobody wants to watch games, then those deals won't be worth much in the future.  

Or, as a friend who was on North's List under Barassi said today: People don't go to the footy to watch the umpires.

He also thought for a very long time on the question of how much umpire abuse he witnessed in his playing career at North. He finally said, I recall hardly any.

He also made the point that since his playing days, the rules have not changed for the better overall. He's not sorry that the Mathews/Wallis/Brereton etc He-man head hunting has been wiped out, but he doesn't understand how anyone who devised the present day Tribunal system hasn't been sent to Siberia, nor does he understand how the AFL tolerates umpires who allow players like Hawkins, Selwood, Dangerfield, and a host of other 'star' players to get away with shenanigans for which no-namers are punished.

In other words, until the AFL understands that a Professional Sporting Code needs to ensures all umpires/referees are also professional, the AFL will continue to be ruled by a gang called Riff Rafferty, who plug holes in the Titanic with bubble gum, who treat cancers with band aids.

1 hour ago, tiers said:

This issue of demonstrative dissent is becoming murkier and murkier. Watching Robbo last night the folllowing questions were raised:

If there is no free kick awarded but a player waves his arms, what happens next? 50m can't apply if there is no free kick, can it? Do they award a free kick anyhow for dissent?

If player from both teams wave their arms, who gets to decide? First come, first served?

If a player at CHB waves his arms about a free kick awarded, or not awarded, at CHF, what happens next? How far away from the incident does a player have to avoid a 50m penalty?

Can the other 2 umpires award a 50m penalty for arm waving when they are not at the coal face, so to speak? What about those on the interchange bench?

At what point is waving arms when on the mark considered to be dissent? Who the hell will judge? At what angle away from the body will it be considered "on the marK' and not dissent?

Should Brad Scott revert to being a coach of a failed football team? Would it extend his career?

Does Gill really want this fiasco to be his final rules act as AFL CEO?

These are far too many questions that need sensible answers for this rule to continue to be implemented in accordance with the spirit of our great game. Currently our spirit is not happy at all and at a time when the demon spirit should be at its peak, it is being deflected by this absurd rule. Get rid of it in its current form.

One last point. A 50m penalty is far, far too much for such stupid reactions. I have posted before that Sheedy put a stain on our great game and it is time for his stain to be cleansed.

One further last point. The rules are far, far too complicated to adjudicate and there needs to be a greater emphasis on ensuring a safe, fair contest and move away from the ridiculous rules that do not derive from an unfair contest. If two players are both jostling for position in, say, a marking contest, unless one seriously interferes with the other, it should be play on. How often has one player been penalised for what the umpire could not see on the other side? Hand in the back without a push, slight jumper pull without affecting the contest are not legitimate reasons for a free kick to be awarded. They are big boys, let them contest.

This will not end pleasantly. It is sad that our greatest era in nearly 60 years is being tarnished by stupid administration at the AFL.

Makes good sense to me. Kudos.

11 hours ago, dieter said:

If I'm correct, the germinal incident which caused this over-reaction regarding players being able to say, Che?, was Tobias Green walking through an umpire. I fail to understand how a question or an arm wave is even remotely related.

That there is a problem recruiting umpires in most forms of Football is an issue related to more than on field player dissent: rather, it is a reflection of how deeply aggressive and troubled our society has become.

The other aspect I've noted is that initially Green was banned for two weeks for walking through an umpire. That was the end of last season. Suddenly, just asking 'what was that for", or raising arms in dismay is a possible game changing 50 meter penalty. 

For the record, I've been watching AFL/VFL football since 1959, played a few games myself for a VFA side - Under Age - and in that time, I've been aware of not very many incidents where an Umpire may or would have felt unsafe or threatened. ( Though I understand this does not apply in certain Leagues throughout the country: which in itself, simply points to much wider sociological issues.) Yes, Green's action was over the top and deserved probably more than the sentence he received. Green, though, is a special case of a young man deluding himself into entitlements he believes he deserves. 

I have also seen some awesome displays of very biased and incompetent umpiring in that time, and I note that not much has changed in that regard.

Perhaps the AFL , instead of bringing one of the greatest examples of shall we say 'unpleasant past AFL characters', to make sanctimonious announcements a la Scott, it ought to make umpiring an attractive and sustainable career, creating a coordinated network, where career umpires begin apprenticeships at every level of football in Australia. It's probably the best way to attract men and women of high caliber. We offer lads in their late teenage years the opportunity to make big bucks as AFL footballers, we ought to - as a professional sport - be offering the same opportunities to umpires.

If I'm correct, the germinal incident which caused this over-reaction regarding players being able to say, Che?, was Tobias Green walking through an umpire. I fail to understand how a question or an arm wave is even remotely related.

That there is a problem recruiting umpires in most forms of Football is an issue related to more than on field player dissent: rather, it is a reflection of how deeply aggressive and troubled our society has become.

6: May

5: Spargo

4: Oliver

3: Gawn

2: petracca

1: Viney.

I loved the spirit displayed by both sides in this game. The highlight was Rivers extending his hand to pick up his opponent in the last two minutes of the game.

2 hours ago, Lord Nev said:

Did you hear what Clarry said though?

So, what did Clarry said? I doubt any umpire could decipher his gibbersih anyway...😁😂🤣

8 minutes ago, Bitter but optimistic said:

No one wants to see dangerous tackles or contacts. No one wants to see head injuries or concussion.

But footy features strong blokes competing at speed so injuries will be an inevitable consequence.

Given the vagaries of the Match Review set up are we getting to a point where players will be instructed to avoid physical contact?

Is the physical aspect of our game in danger of disappearing to the extent that footy will just not be the same game?

Precisely: Ryder should have jumped out of Day's way, see...

Then he would have been reported for 'Diving'.....

1 hour ago, Demonland said:

Ban stands. 

 

What total, utter crap.

8 minutes ago, daisycutter said:

yeah, just like poor old byron

Yes, Byron is doing it tough these days: all that bloody rain...

5 hours ago, JimmyGadson said:

Haha, mate the onus is always on the player without the ball. 

Do you live under a rock? 

Ryder most clearly wasn't stationary. He was moving, no matter how slow. And he bumped. And hit day's head. So he's gone. 

I keep forgetting it's school holidays. 

 

He did not 'bump': he braced himself before a collision which was inevitable because of Day's momentum.

Can anyone explain how Ryder could have avoided Day running into him.

In fact, I saw a similar incident in the Adelaide game on the weekend, where a player ran into a stationary opposition player and it was 'play on'. 

I still spit chips about the May suspension in the practice match against Brisbane in May's first year. The circumstances were similar: in my view, May stood his ground as the Brisbane player cannoned into him. Had may, or Ryder, turned and ran the world would have laughed at them. That, would have been the real joke.

1 hour ago, Jontee said:

Last time I looked it was at the Adelaide oval.

Kozzies kicked 3 this year and Charlie has one.  No where near last years pace.

They have been excellent at the 1%ers but the 90%ers come first - kicking goals, which adds pressure on its own.

And in defense of Spargo I think he is playing higher up the ground.

And No I am not calling for either of them to be dropped.

We've had four comfortable wine: others have kicked the goals. Kozzie and Spargo are still vital cogs.

1 hour ago, Jontee said:

Crumb a goal  (and hello Kozzie)

Have you seen the scoreboard? 14 goals, both sides, for the game. Three blokes kicked 7 of them...

It was one of those nights. Port weren't bad, actually, just couldn't get their forwards organized.