Rhino Richards

You have got to be kidding. Ok. Does not want Cotchin but will keep PJ. Gotcha. He wont be leaving Tigers but I would take him immediately if he did. Even so it is tempting to push the price up for the Tigers.

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I am not advocating giving players away for free or a wizz fizz! But in your own words you believe that Rivers will fall from 3rd best to 4th to 5th backman. He will command less value then in 12 months time and with his contract expiring we have less leverage over his destination then. The other issue is how sure are you that he wont be injury prone again. Which other players who are surplus to our needs and list would have any trade value? Rivers is the only one. Bell does not have value. Nor do PJ or Newton. Can you name any?

You're kidding Send him to GC

As others have noted elsewhere, he is injury prone, slow, not that agile and an indifferent disposer of the ball. As a consequence you cant counterattack from a player like Rivers and he is limited in the type of player he can play on. Even his supporters see him as our third best backman. As you have noted he will be overtaken by younger more capable types and its happening now. And in your proposed trade deal in a better draft you are offering would be: Bell, Pick 45, Rivers for a Port player and pick 30. Bell, pick 45 have little currency. Either Port are going to do a bad deal for themselves or you are not going to get much back.

Thanks. I didnt hear that interview. Its curious that they would throw a lifeline to a marginal player in a bottom club when they are imploded from the top down from the Board, to the coach, senior players and young stars. Its not a matter of whether Belly wants to stay with us. I think we will trade him at first instance. If his contract expired this year he would be a candidate for delisting.

What do you mean "shown interest"? Evidence?

Why would you bother in a such thin trade to play with such high picks. I am not aware Port showing any interest in Bell. I dont see a need for Ebert. K Cornes might not interest us but he will interest others.

Why do people continually link Bell with Port or Adelaide? There is no evidence that he would provide any benefit to either club. Is compassionate family reunion? Is the fact that he will be able to stomach the brackish water supply there?

He won the RS award 5 years ago as the 3rd best backman. Now five years later with the development of younger, quicker more agile and skilled defenders at the Club he is at best our third best backman. Supports the argument for looking at a trade for Rivers. We just have a better options to play KPPs and other defensive roles

He is out of contract in 2009. I reckon he wont. I would rather pick players that could and would be able to play high pressure contested finals football than get sucked on the tough guy stuff. Thereason we got ourselves in 2000GF territory was that were outclassed by a superior opposition to us who were more physical and more focussed on the ball. I I am not sure what value Miller would have been to us in 2000. We have the OX playing the "tough" guy in the 2000GF and he made a goose of himself. I am not sure what value Miller would be to Hawthorn after the Lloyd express went through. He could push his chest and scowl and get really angry. Can he play the sort of football thats required for AFL finals? No. If we cant trade him then I reckon we will delist him. And before people get sucked in to rough and tough stuff in finals, the AFL have toughed their view in recent years to players who are reported in finals. Lloyds 4 weeks would have become 8 weeks.

Firstly, Freo have a far superior capacity to pay West than MFC do. Freo have had a tough year and are often derided here, sometimes fairly, sometimes unreasonably. As far as there list is concern they have a nucleus of very good young footballers (Hill, Palmer, Ibbotsen) etc around Sandilands and Pavlich. They have cleared out a number of deadwood seniors. For the right money, such a role could be a worthy challenge for West.

How would you possibly know?

Agree with all of that. If and only if we were offered pick 9 by Hawthorn for Rivers I would take it in a hearbeat. I dont think they would trade on that. But I agree, any pick inside the top 15 for Rivers and its game on.

I cant believe all the misplaced whinging here. I think the RS Award standing is a testimony to the quality of the 2008 class. That year has really performed well. If Jack Watts proves to be the No 1 pick then we have indeed got ourselves a top line player.

By all means, your saying they should earn it.... who should be there in their place? I dont care who they replace. If they are good enough... they play. Enough of the pretence

I doubt they will. But it will depend on the cost.

Longevity and potency up forward!

HT, they wont be struggling for a mature KPP.There are better options and GC wont be wet eared dumbies either

Agree TU. Too much prentence on numbers. So long as plays welll I dont care what number

If they dont believe he will push for selection at MFC he should be delisted. We wont trade him even as showbag filler. Miller gets unfairly slagged on this site. He is a player who has worked hard to get the most out of himself. After 8 years I dont think he cuts grade consistently to be part of the future. Apparently a top bloke and a good leader to others at the Club. I think his days are numbered at MFC. Why do people link players with Clubs of their State of Origin when there is no plausible reason to for the Club to draft that player? Some should explain that compassionate family reunification is not a relevant criteria to trade players. I not having a shot at you HT. This sort of thing is done frequently (eg Bell) that defies basic logic.

Exactly right. Depth is not the issue.

TROLL ALERT TROLL ALERT. I have deleted a couple of posters who either support Carlton (yuk) or have signed on to be abusive. User names that reflect smutty extensions of Matthew Bate's name can expect to be banned. FWIW, dont bother responding to such lightweight garbage. The angered responses are as poor as the puerile attack.

I'll leave that to you. Your repeated carry on about blasphemy is self serving at best and unnecessary. We would all like to see something more from Spencer next year.