Rhino Richards

MFCSS is back in force!! FWIW, Carlton lost Brendan Goddard (a life long Carlton supporter) because of their culture. Until they got Luke Ball, Collingwood had not attracted a big fish since Nathan Buckley. Some of the cultures that have been growing at Richmond in the past 20 years, MFC can do without.

We wont play three ruckman against Richmond. If Jamar returns, he returns fit and shares the first ruck responsibilities with Martin. Gawn needs to continue to develop his game at Casey. Its been a great taste of AFL. Now he needs to go and consolidate. I'd rather bring in Gysberts, Tapscott if we were to drop Jurrah. I dont think we will unless he is declared unfit.

If Jamar had not gone down injured and then Spencer the same weekend, Gawn would not have got a taste of AFL this year. He is an exciting prospect for the future. He was lucky to have at an experience at AFL in 2011 so he can further hone his game at Casey. He has been very fortunate and far from stiff. Given we have Jamar, Gawn, Spencer, Martin and Campbell(rookie) on our list, I can see why anyone would want to be chasing Hille. Beggars belief.

I have real doubts over a forward that could not make an impact in a Premiership side with a midfield made up of Ablett, Bartel, Kelly, Chapman, Ling, Corey, Enright and Selwood. If he has found it hard at Geelong, he aint going to find it easier at MFC.Father/Son great white hope that has come with big accolades but delivers little. A Kozi in vertical stripes. I would not sweat our talent in the draft to get him.

No. Pavlich will burn him on the lead and outbody him in the 1 on 1s. It will be worse than Cloke

Nor realise it either.

If you are going to come out swinging at leasr get half the facts right. I have never stated that there was a democratic vote by all 16 clubs. The issue is that GWS/GC intro into AFL has been on the AFL agenda for 2 to 3 years. AFL CEOs were given access to the terms of the introduction as per Gary March. An AFL club CEO would be doing his job to consider the implications for his Club. I would have thought MFC had more at risk than other Clubs given its collection of talented youth. Got some of the media links to the the decision made.Now you are claiming there was a vote now? And you are wrong again on the assetion that I said all club presidents were negligent. But at least you are consistent.

Mine too.

How can you prove at this point that he is going. You cant. The tide you talk about is the rumour mill feeding on itself in absence of the facts.

FWIW, I dont think your info provides any more credible information on Scully. And none of their past wins are startling revelations either. And all the groundswell of information on Scully is all rumour in absence of actual information. My understanding is that neither Scully nor his management have leaked their intention. When the decision comes regardless of whether he stays or goes, you will have heroes that will claim they knew and that this vindicates that they did when in fact, they did no more than guess heads over tails.

It was actually a lowlight.

Agree totally and well summised. I like your hunches better. FWIW, there was already a ground swell of rumour around AFL circles that Bailey was going to get the job back 4 years. And it was common knowledge that Judd's discussions with other clubs was a charade and that a deal had been done with Carlton before he had left the West.

Only you could be so naive to make that ludicrous statement. Players have left the Club for a variety of reasons. And stating that some have gone onto play in premiership teams as a fact. WOW! However the examples you gave did not demonstrate that players have been using MFC as a stepping ladder to get a premiership for the past 41 years let alone the past decade. I am glad you are not going to argue it because your position is unfounded and reflects a poor grasp of the situation. And you epitomse that to the max. Its surreal that you harp on about the history of the Club but your knowledge is superficial when put to the test.. But in not one case did those players use the Club as a stepping stone. And if top line players have left in the past 50 years (longer than 41 years so what? It has no relevant application to the current situation I am not sure what the relevance of that is because everyone knows in the AFL knows we have the 2nd youngest list in the AFL and are on a long rebuild. And established stars would not be coming to MFC given the timeframe for likely success.

It does not equate to debt and maurie has put a plausible case that counters your claim of falling m/ship and cashflow. Definitely side stepping. You were asked about the last decade where there would have been a relevance to your assertion of players using us as a step ladder. Alves, Wells left because they were screwed over by MFC. They did not use MFC at all. Quite the opposite. And its a cheap shot by you to use them as an example. Keenan, Byrne or Spalding playing in flags by being in the right place at the right time are not evidence that players have used us as a step ladder. That was your point. And even if your were right (and oncve more you are not), six players in 41 years is not evidence of players using us as a step ladder. Jolly left to seek more opportunity as a first ruck in face of White dominating as AA ruck in 2004. Should we have shunted White then?? And Jolly does not validate your claim of using MFC especially when MFC traded him with a year to go on his contract.

I agree WYL. Not having any facts at all has never stopped from fantasing the truth. AFL...dictatorship....fat controller....conspiracies abound!! So it has no requirement to have individual club members vote on it. About as prophetic and accurate as the ACB have a disasterous 2010/11 crowd figures when WYL doomed the ACB. But of course, the Ashes were sold out.. We're doomed. We're doomed.

You referred to Hille being a top 3 ruck. Now you have changed the criteria to include forward. At his best Hille was never AA and has never been able to dominate the centre circle. Jamar has. And FWIW, Jamar has been very good up forward when he had been down there and has one of the most accurate goal kicking ratios on record.

Once again you dont know so dont go there. You dont have the facts The AFL will not let GWS/ GC fail in the short to medium and it wont hit other Clubs hard. And you reference to the Bears is irrelevant because there situation was not due to the intro of GWS/GC. And to use the bears as an example, does their loss making detract from Collingwood, Adelaides and WCE profitability? No Its not a financial issue that requires individual club members approval FFS. Stop trying to weave irrelevant side shows to make your inane members requirement barely plausible.

I am keeping CS accountable for not pushing MFC's interest. You are try to insinuated activities by the AFL that are just not support by any facts. The issue is not a specific financial matter that is going to cause any Club to require a bail out by the members. As a consequence there is no requirement for the members to vote on the issue.

For some clubs the issue is more important than others and you are assuming that they did not give it due consideration. I would have thought for Melbourne it was very important to realise that the jewels in their list were 22 and under who 1) had not achieved their market potential and 2) would not be duly compensated for it. Your obsesssion with your belief that the AFL rushed this through is making you concoct versions of events to inflate your fantasy without any basis of fact.

If we have all ruckman fit then Jamar and Martin are the likely first two. Which means that Hille plays VFL and denies development time for Spencer/ Gawn and makes Campbell redundant. FWIW, I thought Campbell was OK against the Pies. And if the scenario came up again where Jamar and Spencer went down then we should be able to cut it with a mix of Martin/Gawn and Campbell. We should save our lilst spots for where we have more obvious deficiencies.

Spencer is vying for the first ruck role. I dont Hille is in that mode. And doh I left out Gawn!!

I would have thought rucking is not an area we are short in (excuse the pun). 1. We have Jamar 2. Martin has emerged as a potentially good 2nd ruck to suit the requirements of the modern game. 3. We have Jake Spencer who has been playing well at VFL level and would have replaced Jamar if not injured at the same time. 4. We have rookie Robbie Campbell. If Jamar is fit he can pinch hit forward on occassion like Hille does. And playing the 3 talls that Essendon has made them top heavy. Why would we want Hille? And we should be trying to get the max what we can get for Bate and or Dunn. It wont be much as I cant see Clubs beating down our door to get them. But I would be happy for another McLean/ First round pick scenario.

Then its clear he is staying. As you are clearly in the know, has Tom Scully bought a place to live in GWS?

It does not have to be disclosed to the members as it was not a matter to be decided on by the Club members. It did not change the Club's consitution or its office holders. It was an issue between the AFL and the 16 clubs. Stop making it something that it clearly isn't. Its not unusual for major issues to be approved at one meeting by corporates or association. Your implication is that the 16 CEOs have no prior knowledge of the conditions of the additional clubs before the meeting and that they were forced by the Orwellian big brother AFL to sign. Firstly you dont know the facts as to what info and when was given to the CEOs. The GC/GWS issue had been contemplated by the AFL for at least 3 years including offering a publicised bribe to North to go north. Its a fallacy to think the AFL could keep all 16 CEOs in the dark on key issues of the new clubs and expect them to roll over in a couple of hours. And if there had been a period of due consideration and contemplation then its feasible and reasonable that they were passed in the one meeting. The issue is that the 16 CEOs including Schwab did not give proper consideration to the ramifications of the deal on their individual lists.

Well done on the 1st sentence. But on what "facts" do you base your belief in the existence of the "vote" "over the course of a couple of hours in one night"? How do you know it went to a vote? And given the issue had been on the AFL agenda for a number of years what information do you was given to the Club directors beforehand? Do you understand what right of response Club directors had to the proposals put before it?