It's premature to call 2011 because it was never only about on field results:

- the coaching appointment

- the associated FD appointments

- the Scully decision

- the trade and draft

- the financial outcome

- the sponsorship outcome

They need to all play out before I can consider 2011 results.

For example if we have Malthouse or Lyon coaching us and they attract high quality FD, Scully stays or we convert the compensation well, we trade vigorously to fill holes, we register a profit in a year when we had a non-commercial fixture and disappointing on-field results and we continue to increase our sponsorship - then 2011 will have plenty of good from my point of view.

Richnmond fans think they've had a great season, North fans belt on about their great culture, I think we know where we're at and where we need to get to.

more kilos?? how many more preseasons will we be saying that, he still hasn't got any heavier!!!!

I'd say that's ignorance.

He hasn't put on a lot of weight, but he has still put some on. He also shows more definition.

Couple that with the fact the last couple of preseasons he has actually lost vast amounts of weight due to surgery and illness.

What the kid needs is an injury free preseason.