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i don't abuse or name call SWYL, I leave that to others, anyone can have an opinion on here, but if you have, you should be able to lucidly explain why you have reached that conclusion/opinion. I have little time for posters who just say my opinion is rubbish or delusional without saying why, everbody else thinks otherwise is not a reason, that means everybody has taken the rumour/conjecture/[censored] presented to them as fact, which as Iv'a says is fraught with danger, and leads to hysterical reaction Show me in writing where is says that the substance the Essendon players supposedly were injected with, is definitively performance enhancing and not just banned, and I will accept it gave the Essendon players an unfair advantage ,

Nobody is saying they weren't trying to cheat, it is whether it was successful and what level of culpability the players had and whether the millions of dollars of taxpayers money poired into agencies, is like a lot of other government agencies, spent on themselves instead of the task in hand

The soft tissue injuries resulted from young players being overtrained by the 'Weapon' the fact the players were quite good has no impact They were charged with taking a banned substance, show me the scientific research, from a reputable source, that says thay substance does enhance performance As every athletes physiology is different if you are going to be a drug cheat you have to have an individual program tailored for you specifically, not blanket injections and let's see what happens Dank, Robinson and Hird had everybody conned including the agencies

I never state that precious, others attribute that to me I always preface my conversations with players with ' I had a chat to' I am under no illuusions unlike others on here Sorry to disappoint you but I am fiercely anti drug, which is why I find the approach of the agencies tasked with eradicating drugs in sport farcical I always enjoy posters who have to resort to childish comments as they don't have the wherewithal to debate an issue And your stand on drugs is?

The effects are unknown, my point exactly, so if posters think Essendon players had an unfair advantage, then they could be wrong

Yes who says you are right and I am wrong, my point, these agencies are your typical government agency, the occasional win but most the time groping in the dark Of course there are performance enhancing drugs in sport, but the agencies only plan of action is let's ban everything and hope somebody dobs. Even the Lachie Whitfield case only came to light coz an ex girlfriend spoke up Whatever substance the Essendon players took was exoerimental, there is no scientific proof it is performance enhancing, that was the whole idea of the program to see if it did I remember the debacle years ago over caffeine, until it was realised you would have to ingest half of Brazil's output before it had a beneficial effect, as I said groping in the dark. Melksham was guilty of nothing more than naivete, my opinion, if you don't like it, I'm cool with that

If drug detection was an exact science and the agencies actually knew what they were doing ,you would have had Lance Armstrong picked off in his first year and not a whistleblower calling out the Russians. Supposedly the players at Essendon took a performance enhancing drug, again it was self reported What we have seen in the last couple of years is a knee jerk reaction as the authorities try and justify their existence and the money spent Hence my comment about substances being banned because the authorities have no idea whether they enhance performance or not Melksham Hibberd et al guilty of being naive. My opinion, I said SWYL was childish with the constant childish name calling, not the fact that he thinks they took performance enhancing drugs, who says he is right and I am wrong

Another pre season into both Hunt and Salem and the can rotate thru midfiekd and wing. Melksham is a professional footy player he'll be ok, players soend a year out with ACL, reckion he will be one player in top shape day 1

He needs something to trade with, so we would have to trade a big name, does this hint belong in the Hogan thread? All players we think should be traded would, according to some posters on here, have very little trade value, also Goodwin was more bullish about the draft, and Taylors magic around the 40's and 50's and rookie We have already picked up a B class rookie, who if he deveops like Joel Smith, who himself is showing promise, with Hibberd, Melkshan, Lumumba back to full fitness, we can afford to draft kids again

Your continued bleating about the drugs issue is really tiresome The reason a lot of the drugs are put on the banned list, is that they are experimental and the authorities have no concrete proof that they work or not, it is supposition. Your constant use of 'juiced up' is childish, as you have no idea how much and when, if any, that Melksham was given a performace enhancing drug or just a banned substance, and if it did have a significant impact on his onfield performance. Caffeine is supposedly a performace enhancing drug, and I drink copious amounts of coffee, but I still think Usain Bolt has got me covered

You gonna hold ur breath if he isn't, Goodwin wouldn't have recommended him if he didn't think so

I may as well put this , I had a good chat to H at training, there was a concern with his concussion, he was in the hands of neurologists etc, the decision was to stop everything, give him an extended break so to speak. The prognosis going forward is good, he was feeling a whole lot better with everything when I spoke to him Just wants to be ready day 1 pre season and take it from there

Stuie, you are wasting your breath, the contempt some show for a player that has suffered a serious concussion episode borders on the sociopathic But we are on an internet forum so I shouldn't be that surprised The fact that some may gloat if Lumumba has to retire because of the condition saddens me It is the hard men of footy on this board, never ducked, never shirked when it was their turn to go, topped the tackle count every year, that's what makes them such good judges of who should go at the end of each season, apart from the drovers dog of course

He has had serious concussion issues, he was TOLD not to train or play, for you to post such rubbish shows little understanding of concussion, and little respect for a person suffering from it, the only reason Nev Jetta was able to return to footy after his concussion issues was the ENFORCED six week layoff he had, I know coz I asked

Expect to see him line up for Swan Districts in the WAFL next year

That's harsh, don't forget new coach (Goodwin), every one will start fresh 1st day of pre season, he may know them, but reckon clean slate

Yes, he had serious concussion issues, think it shook him up a bit, all behind him now, justs wants to start afresh in the new season

Yes he was, had a chat to him as well

I hate to [censored] on your fire, but Spencer has already got another year, announced mid year, didn't you read it? or not want to, did he run over your cat?

You listen to the radio?.........hopefully only when you are travelling in a car WJ, or is it a comfy chair, roaring open fire, a balloon of Courvoisier..and SEN Haven't listened to radio since the days of 3XY in the Seventies

Gee nearly 3 pages, maybe it is Pink doing a bit of self promotion?, which he has achieved, Some criticising a guy who rings into a radio station with some strange ideas on trading etc, glad Demonland is not made of glass

I had a chat to him about the very thing actually, talking about what the future might hold, all he can do is turn up to whatever team he is picked in and give it his best, it is out of his hands, delisting is like redundancy, nobody deserves it but it is a fact of life these days, it is not my opinion that he will be delisted it just looks as if that will be the outcome at seasons end, he probably thinks the same. As for the others, as I said it doesn't matter what we think or who we think should be delisted, we are not inside the club and don't see or hear what is going on day to day, I do know that all players know exactly where they stand week to week, Roos has repeated that quite a few times All the above you have mentioned must be considering their futures for varying reasons As I have said before, if you treat the players with respect, you can talk to them about anything, besides which they know I am a 'good supporter'

Ah yes violence, the answer to everything, strong advocate of that are you? It was a joke, only you seem to be a bit thin skinned about it, how about posting something topic related

I put this in another topic somewhere in the last week or two, we all seem to have the same opinion, that Terlich will definitely be one, that is not an opinion but I think a guy who hasn't got near all year must know himself, possibly Grimes and then who knows?

For a second there thought you had posted on the wrong board, bit pot calling kettle black there Sheriff, could refresh your memory on some of the slagging you have aimed at me, it's just a forum board, nobody is forced to post on here......it was a little jest, maybe YOU need to harden up if it offended YOU