thevil1

His leads were garbage when he did lead

If both he & the club get their way this will be done. & before I get flamed, I heard that weeks ago from a Prestia, they didn't know for sure but they were confident he'll end up at his beloved demons somehow.

Garland only goes if he decides to move on as a FA. He won't cost crazy $$ to keep & he's clearly rated as a required player by Roosy. Unlike Frawley we won't get overs or well compensated if he walks & I have it on good authority the club is confident he'll stay if we keep improving as other clubs pushing for finals are only offering small $ & a chance to play finals to him. If he won't break the bank & the club is confident he'll stay I see no benefit in the club pushing or moving him along. He's a long way off being lumped in with players of Riley, Michie, Bail's ilk, most clubs could find a place for Garland to do a job defensively each week. Anyone here who says otherwise is not being objective imo. His role every week is usually to shut down a bloke which he does very well, both tall, small & on dangerous resting midfielders. If Grimes or H could do it as well or better they'd already be getting those jobs ahead of Garland. Wow, never thought I'd be defending Garlo before, I'm not even a huge fan of his, but he does add value to the team imo..... Howe on the other hand.......

Plus the dud Neeld recruited from Geelong.....

Newton alone has done just about as much as all 3 of those blokes Neeld recruited in a handful of games this year & he has only been going ok! These guys are a lot younger than Neeld's recruits & have a lot more upside to boot. Even if they don't make it they were better punts than what Neeld went for (which in fairness was mostly age based for experience but these guys had nothing left in the tank, unlike Cross who you also conveniently forgot about).

Next captain in 2/4 years after Jones for sure, locked in! Hoges/Brayshaw/Salem VC's by then too....

Don't rate McCartin at all, he is no where near Hogan's level & there's way more upside in Wright, who I'm still not totally sold on. Saints are said to have put a LOT of work into McCartin & are saying they'll take Petracca (Finey, SEN), so if that is indeed true & their need for talls is probably greater than ours, then we will likely pass on him also I reckon. I just want the best in terms of overall talent as a player at both picks & trust our footy dep to get it right, first time I've said that in a long time! Brayshaw & Lever the best 2 talents imo if Petracca is off the board. In an uncompromisd draft we'd be talking about Heeney & Moore too......

Ha! Obviously, we got HL & Garlett coming over with plenty of baggage ;-p What garbage that no DH thing is! Very subjective in the first place & who says what constitute one or doesn't? Someone may do a DH thing once but otherwise be an awesome bloke. And imo there were plenty of DH's in Sydney when Roos was there starting with big bad overrated bazza & ending in hannebery (at least I think they are DH's but I would be happy if we had players who had their talents playing for us regardless!)

http://m.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/collingwood-coach-nathan-buckley-says-darren-jollys-struggle-to-accept-end-of-career-led-to-coward-comments/story-fni5f6hd-1226769940335 HL, Swan, Jolly, Dids, Shaws, Beams, Dawes, Thomas etc etc. (a lot of talent there) These blokes could perform for mad mick without complaint but not bucks..... Who knows, we land HL & Beams to go with Dawes & we might have Steele & Pendles knocking on our door by 2016! ;-p

Exactly! This is about 'stuff you Buckley' & getting the biggest pay day possible. If it meant he could play with his brother in sunny brissy, all the better. I reckon Buckley is just pizzed he never won a premiership & he doesn't value the premiership players still at the Pies, he mismanaged soo many senior players now it's not funny, the noises started with Jolly no?

Who said the pies want him to go, when it first broke that HE requested the trade it sounded much more like they were spewing!! Given his dad lives in Gold Coast, not brissy, & he would only entertain brissy's offer of massive $$ & to play with his brother, plus hating Buckley, these were always clearly the main motivation for Beams, not his sick father (who gave him no structure or discipline in life apparently & is on the road to recovery with the cancer in remission). I reckon the fathers illness was a smoke screen for the colliwobbles to 'justify' why a gun who they clearly rate internally wanted to leave their 'club'...... Gee, it wouldn't be like Eddie to push a cover story in the media to protect his love child Buckley & beloved Pies hey?!?

I'm happy with the outlook on that deal, much prefer what we got, 2 likely b+/a graders & hunt, hope he comes good too.

But he's right isn't he? Wasn't it actually picks 2 & 20 for Tyson & Salem? Whether they on traded that 2nd pick doesn't change what we traded. Very convenient people around here overlook that...... Mind you, I'm happy as with the deal, we got 2 class players that like more rough & tumble than what Kelly does, which is what we need!!