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His mental health may have been and be a lot better if we had. He is a country lad and liked the idea of living on a farm. He asked to be traded there. As I said I think we did him a disservice by not trading him for our own selfish PR reasons. And this is what it has come to.

Its easy to see why the club didn't trade him last year; same reason we extended Viney's and Gawn's contracts when there was no need to. The club was in damage control and needed good optics and to look 'stable'. Hence those decisions. It was a cop out by the FD and the Board. They all knew what was happening and ignored it. We did Oliver a great disservice by not trading him last year. Who knows how much better he would be in all respects living on a farm far away and protected from the media spotlight.

But we will take the deal as offered. We have no choice.

Correct. Pert knew what had to be done and why. But Clarry's protectors closed ranks and Clarry stayed only for there be no value in a trade 12 months later. Very, very sad for everyone..

That sounds like an impassioned plea, Wells. Sadly, we can't. Too many bridges burnt over time. And after the dummy spit reaction to the meeting to discuss his role can't see him wanting to come back.

But is it their first? A F3 offer has been floating around for over a week with discussion on % salary split to be had. I have little doubt we tried to improve that offer. But as I said, we have no bargaining power at all and GWS dug their heels in: Take it or take him back!

GWS know we won't take Oliver back and he won't go anywhere else. We take what we are given.

Hard to believe GWS don't have the cap space to take Oliver's non mfc salary. They would have roughly known the amount before wooing him on the boat. It is probably just a ploy to get mfc to take on more of his salary!

Whatever the deal is for Trac it is done and dusted and proabably has been for a few days.! The AFL is holding back an annoucnement to create suspense and anticipation for the last hours of Trade Week. The same for Curnow and maybe the 'go slow' with Merrett.

Fox footy is saying the trade reported by Morris is different to the one reported by The Age. Nine’s Tom Morris reports: ND 9 and, F1 (2026) and, 2nd round pick (2025/2026), and Hustwaite The Age reported a ND 9 and, F1 (2026), and Either: 2nd round pick (2027) + ND 62 OR Hustwaite type player and swap of later picks Don't know which is right ... would love Morris to be wrong 😁 but the GCS pick offer for Petracca is better than either of those even allowing for a pick going back to them.

The Scott assistant wasn't in the wings at the time of the mfc coaching gig. King had no problem choosing between Scott assistant and Dee's main guy! As noted in my earlier post, agree with you it was most probably at AFL 'suggestion'. So 'parachuted' into the job!

Reading between the lines two things worked against him with mfc: thinking the game plan doesn't matter much when mfc had wanted a more attacking style. He is terribly out of date on technology and its use in every facet of coaching. Simply put he isn't experienced enough in today's coaching and what is important. I wonder if the AFL 'suggested' to him to get some current experience before taking over Tassie, if it ever happens.

You could be right. I didn't bother to google it so was going from memory.

Grundy was always going to be the benchmark. iirc Pies paid about 50%. He was reportedly on $1.1m/$1,2m. We paid approx him $600K Olivers contract is about $1.3m and will be about $1.7m in the later years of his contract. So $700 sounds about right. The issue I have is if Oliver takes a pay cut after he is traded and GWS get all the $ benefit. He said he would take a pay cut last year if he was traded. So there is no reason to think he won't at GWS.

Except Curnow, Merrett, Simkin. They have only privately expressed interest in a trade.

Nearly all AFL scribes get their info from player managers so that is no surprise.

I'm no legal eagle but I recall when Grundy left us to go to Sydney, his contract for the amount Coll paid was with Coll. Coll are still paying on that contract. What we paid Grundy was a new contract with us which ended when he was traded out. But his contract with with the Pies continued. Grundy signed a new contract with Sydney which may or may not have been the same he had with us. We had no further obligation once he was traded. I assume the same goes with Oliver, except we are the ones paying him to play elsewhere which I assume involves a new contract with us and a new one with GWS.. There is no history of a conflict of interest affecting team selection in the AFL.

It depends what year. If 2026 it will probably be in the 45 to 50/54 range which carry some draft points for bid matching purposes. If 2027 it may well be in the 50+ range in which case it has little value to anyone. Either way it is a pick JT probably wouldn't use so we get a player for little cost. And the Charlie pick could be a key piece in a deal this year.

Is there a link to the article?

Surely, you don't believe every bit of scuttle but going around !!! Or do you have proof? And why so intent of insulting someone if all the facts aren't known.

A bit too cryptic for me, bub! I would say none of the 3 ... 🤔

But who told Sam? Only Clarry, his manager, King, Lamb and Richardson were at the meeting! I bet it didn't come form the club. And I bet some mayo was applied because media reports are UP TO $700K. Who doesn't care if they trash the club or if the club gets fair value.

Thanks for that. I probably over reacted. Sorry. As an aside, I'm a bit over posters unceremoniously highlighting his 'flaws' and ignoring all the elite things and sometimes make up stuff. It seems many posters just want to tear him down which is unfair to a club champion.

Is that last 'pay' a typo? Aren't we moving him because we don't want to pLay him. Pay has little to do with it.

Reckon that is a huge intangible for GCS. Atm player movement to Qld is a one-way street to the Gabba! Rioli was a medium fish last year. Get Petracca and GCS can attract other top players and compete with the Lions as a northern 'destination' club. Petracca will be huge to their standing and public perception.