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Hope they dont wear the red and the blue?????

Maybe we have to use this as incentive to our existing list. To get the rewards you have to lift your game. Who will step up to be our Wellingham, our Lynch, our Caddy or our Kennedy, our Ablett, our Swan Maybe an excellent thread for those who know the capabilities and talents to align them with the top brownlow voters or the top performers at other clubs. In spirit of my title I would only like to see this in a positive fashion as the humour would be to easy generate Jones = Chapman???Ablett??? has the motor the toughness the ball winning ability and even the hair style

Yep basically agree with all above Isolated from Melb and being busy running business 7 days and maintaining small rural property DLand is a great alternative release. Cheaper than a psychologist A great collection of like minded who dont mind giving or getting mild offense blended with some outrageous humor. Really appreciate the dedication of those who provide training and match reports and the attention of the moderators and admin who keep it ticking along. My only concern is I find it so fascinating that it it sometimes consumes too much time But through it all the Passion displayed provides hope for us all. GO DEES

Havent seen you so negative before TPM. I hope you are wrong. I am still uncertain about the coach also but willing to give him the time he has had to get to know, and get to be known by, players. There have certainly been some positive statements by players staying and leaving. There are no doubt some discontented players. MY hope is that Neeld is not a one trick pony. That he can adapt. That he doesnt alienate potential and does develop what we have rather than just discarding and replacing. A lot will depend on trades and draft but hopefully to complement and complete rather than start anew.

Again we have reference to Culture which may be inappropriate. We have been presented with the Geelong, Collingwood, West Coast, Hawthorn, Adelaideeven North Melbourne "culture", I dont think they are all the same(?). Fitzroy had a culture even South Melbourne (The bloods) So yes there is something I am just a little nervous about attributing the flag or ultimate success to "culture". The flag will add something to the culture but all the above have also spent time at the bottom was this also solely the "culture" A more important part of success is getting the right components, creating the right structures to achieve an identified outcome. I have seen so many 5 year plans begin some part of the complex build only to abandoned after 3 years for a completely different direction Perhaps the "culture" of persistence needs to be added to the culture of resilience that we already have. I recall hearing so often that supporting Melbourne was "character building". That is also part of "the culture". Lets get "the Culture" into perspective and start to get some game results.

Bloody amazing Good ball handling skills and strong on both sides A lot of forward progress and still an emphasis on containment. It would appear some overindulgence with complexity to satisfy what could be analysed as a simple outcome. Has maybe some comparisons with our game. with the right tools and systems a consistent outcome can be expected. Even some of the randomness still achieves the required result. There is order in the chaos. Sorry just diverted into an old obsession.

I reckon I saw a worse result Melb and Fitzroy years ago which didnt seem to receive the same constant reference AM I correct What was the fallout / ramifications of that loss

Not sure of all that he has done But certainly doesnt impress as a role model I think he became a product of his own ability When you are told you are the king and can do anything which was desirable on the footy field you must know how to separate the on and off field Coaches could probably translate his footy actions through their experiences and tapes of his actions Dont know what he could add particularly on a regular basis sowould be cautious but leave it up to Neeld as a teacher he would know if Carey has the skills to teach and how to appraise the success of that teaching. The coaches could certainly

Gotta love this thread!!!!

Dale Roberts seen making furtive entrances at some Claremont fashion boutique. Apparently looks great in a blazer! If we only had his current twitter contact we could see how this potential champion shapes up. Been told he is the type that Neeld likes. Hard at it no compromise player. Has the ability to remain hidden in the contest until he bursts free making something out of nothing. With his alleged aerobic capacity can play forward back or on the side. Would be prepared to bleed red and blue if necessary Too much????

BL was as stated by others a player who got the most out of himself and seems to be able to have done that at Casey. I totally support his sentiment re his kids and also note the comment about his dad. I reckon Brett and his son should be welcomed to the club whenever they are able and Brett could maybe contribute some of his thoughts. He must have been able to work with the club given existing arrangements and obviously still has good links with the club. Also some of his paths to success might be picked up by others including his son. He just could be part of a valuable support and succession team for the Club In all circumstances thank him, wish him well and remind him he is always welcome>

think it just shows "better" is a subjective relative term

wow the topic just went feral. DL if you need contemplative time just come up and visit Beechworth you will find a real local community and our footy team (Red and Blue ) had a stinker of a development year hoping for better next year. I think I recall membership surveys some years ago (around the Bentligh club acquisition time) found our supporter base was strongest out the Greensborough way. I also thought the CAsey location was in recognition of our support out that way and as a visionary thing to attract a new membership. Perhaps to be really visionary we could acknowledge that we have a diverse and geographically widespread club support. We continue with Casey for training and football clinics etc. Play our home games at our traditional MCG and encourage our widespread members to meet wherever they are on game days and enjoy each others company as we watch our team play. Its an expansion on the rent or hire idea. We did a similar thing in Smith Street after matches with a core group that was bolstered by others even in the pre technology days, just word of mouth was all we had but you could follow the trail of scarves , always plentiful after victory but it did get harder and harder to summon the desire after defeat With the wider spread of social media and even Dland gatherings can be more easily achieved. We see it with the interstate members meeting when we play away so just a little more imagination and we could expand that idea to satisfy melbourne based members in a more formal fashion. D landers are very capable and no doubt most would enjoy each others company even more if we are winning. I think we need to pass that on to the players.

Need to start a new thread on this bloke He has only potential now that the glandular fever is under control Not only left foot which was why Hawks had him marked for attention but has elite figures on beep test at a west Coast footy clinic apparently they told him to avoid official contacts from Afl to fly under the radar a bit. Did have a reputation as a party boy and his twitter activities were conducted under some obscure name to avoid the obvious media attention hence the rep for singing apparently very strong in the contest due to great core strength and his cycling history had him with aerobic capacity equal to Indurain. Has been reported that he wants to become a one club player just like his dad. Apparently minor negative is that DB has shown interest in him for Adelaide which may deter a lot of Melb supporters. Rookie for mine nothin to lose

lots to like through this thread And so many familiar themes Perhaps this is part of what the culture of the club is. Greater than the players or the FD or the CEO. The expressions of Dland remind me of the companions I have made through the sharing of support for Ds I also have a soft spot for any club any code wearing the red and blue so its a very deep but hard to define feeling. My support has changed from follower to member to legend member and now to Dland member and contributor, Dont get to Melb much and limited $$$ stifles my contribution But I am the only mug that picks the d"s in the pub tipping comp, Started as receiving a gesture of scorn but now am respected for that stance and have met fellow demon supporters through it. I always fare badly in tipping as I tip from the heart not the head and I guess that will always rule with the Dees Maintain the passion and maintain the fellowship of this site GO DEES

I like what you say and agree that your points are valid but desire is also part of your culture. I also had have the desire to win but like you took a battering and was not obviously as good as you. I chose other sports , pursuits that I could have success at and even when failing accepted that my opponents skills abilities or maybe even desire was better than my own. I could and do accept an honourable defeat but can only accept it with the knowledge that in that defeat I gave everything, tried everything I knew and would learn from that defeat. I also learnt that you can contribute with others who are more skilled to achieve team success way beyong your individual capacity that you can add to a team in even sometimes intangible ways and sometimes your own mediocrity can be applied at the right time or in the right place to contribute to success. Being injured at the moment makes me appreciate that there is plenty to miss in the direct competition but my desire to contribute will make me rehabilitate and contribute in other ways to my teams performance. I see and hope to continue to see those virtues displayed by my football club and with a total desire success will surely come.

All have some elements I like but for me 1 really concentrate on physique, physical ability, and ability to use it for all the team. Those already with well developed muscle power weight structure concentrate more on the attitude how to use it 2 approach geishen or umpire representatives to work with us on the techniques that we need to receive a more favorable free kick count. This is how to tackle better and how to dispose of the ball better seem to be serious issues for our players also how to receive protection for the head and back. OH and how to get respect from umpires particularly by not talking back to them. 3 Definitely individual talks with all players leading to the team camp. Tenacity and the tenuous nature of the game to achieve results. the need to give the maximum of their skills in cooperation with their team mates to achieve the success. The ned to know your team mates abilities so it becomes instinctive to go to the spot he will get it too the time to support and the time to peel off, to know how far in front of him to kick the ball so he can run onto it. Know your team mate as yourself 4 Coaches to get plan A.B and C for individuals and team. so that it is recognised that their are different requirments for different opponents and different teams. 5 Emphasise that to win requires total commitment of the whole group. The squad will be varied to meet changing conditions but there will still be an expectation that nothing less than total commitment to whatever role you are given will be accepted. It doesnt matter wether you are a key position player or playing at casey total openess with the coaches and teammates is required for only one thing. For the team to win. There is probably much more to this and these starting points can certainly be expanded. Trading and list management must also embrace the above. I would like to see the depth of engagement passion etc that Dlanders contribute to be evidenced from the footy departmentand players.

I think the "bloods" culture was probably about before Paul Roos. Im not sure who took it to Sydney but certainly Roos used it. Perhaps coming from Fitzroy where the history and culture was so prevalent and going to a new club where there was little culture developed assisted. I have said Culture cannot be the responsibility of one. The culture must by its nature belong to all. There can be a players culture a leadership group culture a coaching culture etc. There has been much mention of a club culture and this will develop the more people identify aspects and "buy into them" to quote the current phrase. I was listening to the club songs after the finals and wonder if our culture is reflected in our song. I notice most clubs have winning in their words. Team is also strong Our song is about the flag (the emblem of the team we love) and old acquaintance I am certainly not suggesting we change the song I loved to belt out when we won but it is noticeable when we see the arrogance of the cakewalkers and the winning/ fighting expressions in so many songs. Our song may well reflect the culture of the past when winning was assumed to derive from the comeraderie??? of the group. Whatever lets get that winning culture into our group. Make them realise it will not be given has to be earned and will only come with plenty of hard work and intensity. We will all join them and may be able to attract others to winning culture. Its still a long way to go,

I agree I have always thought that head high and in the back were meant to be interpreted by the umpires to maintain the safety of players and in particular to protect the head. Disposal has been so poorly umpired that the handball skill will not be required. The AFL may be losing some of the features that makes our game unique as we move to a more homogenised Rugby maul satisfying those who like the intensity which may overtake the skill. The run, spread, marking, one on one contests, which were the distinguishing features of our attacking forward pressing game have been gradually reduced with the defensive style which has predominated. close tackling in the back and dropping or holding the ball are raffles that it seems the umpires have almost given up on. As a sad commentary I thought that saturday was the first time I can ever recall the Pies getting the worst of the decisions. While I always maintain they play with a confidence and arrogance knowing they will benefit from free kick decisions I was impressed that they overcame the difference to win with determination. If Neeld can instil the same intensity into our sides we can see real progress

Surely if GWS or GC wanted to play russian roulette we could say "Tampering" rather than "Pass". Could we ask AFL to investigate why either of these clubs would compromise their lists for a lower ranked player? As an attempt at humour why are they interested in Jamar anyway????

JumpinJack made alot of points I had been thinking. Thanks KC again for your efforts and hope you can continue your reports of training and progress which were always appreciated. A thought on watching AFL finals and CAsey was certainly the differences as JJ pointed out but also the intensity of the game. Also at the risk of being boring, the muscle development of our players was noticeable even at this level. WE were even smaller and less robust than Willi, Whenever I see MElb or Casey on TV we appear to be boys playing men. It is even more of a contrast when watching the AFL just look at the size of the players> We have a lot of scrawny (puny) blokes on our list. We certainly need more weight and grunt Look at Jones compared to any other Melb player. I can remember when he started he also had little muscle definition but it doesnt seem to have taken him much time to get it. We need to get more of our players on his work routine

Its not only financial things that matter. A feeling of self worth is often not a financial matter at all. Looking for answers is often best achieved through numbers and fellowship. Febes could well be welcomed to Dland. As recognition that the contribution he gave is still appreciated and we could also value his insights into football. This may well be a distraction for him which could be valuable. It is a very deep issue and one which I can only wish him all the best in handling. He is always welcome in Beechworth where we have a diversity of pursuits and a relaxed atmosphere to undertake them.

Saw a little bit of Shaft on TV last night Directed by John Singleton was wondering if it was the same singleton especially with Toni Collette in the cast???

Pies may need a replacement for Jolly and another Melbourne reject would fit the bill.. How about we use what we have a little more intelligently Martin Spencer and Jamar can all play and all play a different style so use them as a team over the season against opposition that requires their style to be effective, resting when needed to avoid overuse and injury. It seems strange that we talk of letting capable players go to another club even if in exchange for proven talent when we should be developing our own. I agree that the intensity shown in the finals so far show how far away we are and all our players should be analysing this with coaches to understand what they must do. It is obvious that our muscle structure is pitiful compared to other sides. Even NIcNat has developed muscle this season the DArlings Barlows and others always mentioned as those we missed seem to have grown, bulked up and muscled up. With the increase in size and weight comes an increased confidence and intensity. I would hope that our weak puny players can show improved weight and confidence to match their skill levels. If they also have the intellectual capacity to learn the game plans and structures required when you have bigger capacity (strength) we can show great improvement next season. Our strategy started a few seasons ago can begin to yeild some success and we dont have to start again.

BB always like your input as it usually isnt all wrong I agree with the premise that players must satisfy the coach especially when the coach has some time frames and results he must hit But as someone else said I would prefer that some of his results include using the players skills we have not wholesale gut and further rebuild but also i recall the old saying "is that true or did you read it in the herald sun" so maybe both of those concepts can be involved. I am abit dubious of the game plan Neeld has but I am also happy to give him time to develop explain and use it. I just hope he has more than one plan.