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Saw a little bit of Shaft on TV last night Directed by John Singleton was wondering if it was the same singleton especially with Toni Collette in the cast???

Pies may need a replacement for Jolly and another Melbourne reject would fit the bill.. How about we use what we have a little more intelligently Martin Spencer and Jamar can all play and all play a different style so use them as a team over the season against opposition that requires their style to be effective, resting when needed to avoid overuse and injury. It seems strange that we talk of letting capable players go to another club even if in exchange for proven talent when we should be developing our own. I agree that the intensity shown in the finals so far show how far away we are and all our players should be analysing this with coaches to understand what they must do. It is obvious that our muscle structure is pitiful compared to other sides. Even NIcNat has developed muscle this season the DArlings Barlows and others always mentioned as those we missed seem to have grown, bulked up and muscled up. With the increase in size and weight comes an increased confidence and intensity. I would hope that our weak puny players can show improved weight and confidence to match their skill levels. If they also have the intellectual capacity to learn the game plans and structures required when you have bigger capacity (strength) we can show great improvement next season. Our strategy started a few seasons ago can begin to yeild some success and we dont have to start again.

BB always like your input as it usually isnt all wrong I agree with the premise that players must satisfy the coach especially when the coach has some time frames and results he must hit But as someone else said I would prefer that some of his results include using the players skills we have not wholesale gut and further rebuild but also i recall the old saying "is that true or did you read it in the herald sun" so maybe both of those concepts can be involved. I am abit dubious of the game plan Neeld has but I am also happy to give him time to develop explain and use it. I just hope he has more than one plan.

Struggling to keep up with the volume of posts But I do support many of the views expressed LJ is certainly in a difficult emotional place. He was an exciting prospect and showed fantastic potential. The club was always considerate in its actions and certainly has publicly nothing to apologise for. If the club knew nothing of this it reflects more poorly on LJ and his management than MFC although it may be questioned that it is not managing its human assets very rigorously.It is a fine line between control and managing. I trust that the club is preparing a considered response that confirms greater involvement than previously disclosed, that expresses dismay but understanding and emphasises some of the positives. The club is greater than an individual but must show respect and consideration for each individual. The views of the supporters on this thread show the gamut of responses that are possible and I am sure all are tinged with frustration. A reasoned statement to members can acknowledge all the above and indicate a more positive approach for the club Such a reasoned statement takes time and is usually better than my clumsy attempt. I am prepared to wait rather than witness an ill considered and messy reactionary response. Perhaps one of the features we need to adopt is the ability to remain calm when all around is chaos, that seems to be a feature of the great on field performers as well. Go DEES

This could be the most simple and yet correct appraisal of the required club vision and culture to emerge on any thread so far Great work. I would be interested in other thoughts on this We sometimes overlook the obvious.

Let them have the time and enjoy themselves Will be a perfect example of progress for the club. How the players perform during this period will be as significant as their on field performance. If ever there is a culture identifier it is in the unconcious and automatic behaviour. As necessary as it is to kick handball etc accurately, to identify your role in a team pattern, to know your teammates strengths and your opponents ability almost subconciously without thinking, so it is with behaviour in the social moments. Players should know that they are carefully scrutinised and if there is an impact related to their actions. Responsibility unfortunately is a difficult concept for the young. All behaviour identifies character traits and are not necessarily negative. We need creative genius as surely as we need dependable plodder.

The skills of the interviewer are a necessary part of the total recruitment process as you say. Most businesses acknowledge this and have specialist Human Resources specialists. There are as in all aspects of life some who are better at this than others and unfortunately as in player recruitment good intentions can often not be met A solid HR practitioner will look not only at the recruitment but also the organisational requirements and the development resources available. Your right we need the insight and talent to identify and utilise the best. Congratulations on the next generation I hope you understand the impact of the name as Denis Cometi will no doubt pick up that the D"s are developing alphabetically.should Benjamin Charles grace the colours.

I couldn't let this go as the post has awoken many very reasonable points from both sides. Ultimately we know the process has not yet yeilded success but it seems from most posts that do not know if it lacked thoroughness. You are right that a footy club is about people but you did neglect perhaps the most interested and passionate part of the club culture the supporters. Administrators and players engage with the supporters to create the club culture. just as a very minor and incorrect example the perception of the culture of Melb is a club where supporters are more interested in going to the snow than following their club. Why is the appointment of Neeld seen as a culture changer? Why is Viney talked of as a culture changer? I think that it is seen as adding a harder edge to our club I also think the supporters existing have wanted that for some time and potential future supporters will demand that. What we need however the culture is developed is success as success guarantees the supporters who build the team the coaches and the admin. It is a chicken and egg scenario and I cannot provide the instant answer. A thorough process will and will guarantee replication.

Gee had almost forgotten. Behind the goals at the fscray end I recall listening to the geelong call must have been on someone else's radio but may have even been over the loudspeakers we all just stood around not really believing it would happen but the cheer when hawks won was fantastic as it was filled with relief and promise. Funny I can remember Robbie kicking a couple over our heads and if asked would have thought he played his usual blinder for us. again the mists of history cloud the reality

This does seem like an idea that could be developed. along with JnrMac I think playing good footy would attract supporters but that playing side is in the hands of coaching and FD people this idea would be admin and marketing so that we have a pool of new supporters to match our new playing success seems like a well rounded approach to success. Im not sure where you are from Shifu but would like to see you pitch your idea to the club and wonder if you have the skills and or experience to assist with the practical application of some of your ides and develop a more complete strategy. Would think Chinese language skills would be most important aspect and recognition of some of the identified cultural and character traits But as a beginning I give it a great tick and great time out of season while players work on that playing bit.

Have returned to this thread again with some hesitation. I am more reassured with the comments to the extent that there is a more reasoned presentation. the calls to trade or sack are now less vehement and there is an acceptance that his performance is seen against perhaps unrealistic expectation, poor research at recruitment, lack of training example and maybe recognition that coaching demands need to be considered I have particularly liked BH more reasonable comments and reckon that JW could benefit from being shown this thread. It may be interesting to hear the coaches and his thoughts on the comments. I know that I dont know the full picture but do believe from acknowledgement on DL that he has skills and great potential IT should be up to the club and JW to improve and use his skills and reach that potential and beyond

I can tell you about a lad who had a reputation that fits the description BH gave of JW He was tall for his age and as a junior he had the nickname "footsteps" and it was known that a hit behind the ears early in the game would see him shirk the contests the rest of the day He played soft in a hard mans game but was as ajunior but was still drafted to AFL I only knew him on the basketball courts where his agility flexibility vision and anticipation were positively awe inspiring Look up Bernie Quinlans record and see how he compares to JW maybe even show that record to JW with BH comments coz I think the kid could learn.

Think I might just leave it at that as I am unsure where I can go but have enjoyed and will continue to enjoy your thoughts .

Further to above and response te to BH You may be right that the leadership group is in control of Sydneys culture and if that is the desirable model we merely have to seek the advice of the Melbourne leadership group and we can establiish the culture of the club. Sorry I dont think its that easy. Even they might need some assistance in defining it

Sorry BH I appreciate that it is a difficult issue and have tried to get it but "Maxfield created the bloods culture" reinforces my point. The bloods was the epitomy of south melb culture which was never translated to sydney apparently until maxfield adopted it represented it and other players confirmed it. I doubt the current collingwood players would create a culture that is different from Eddieand the rest of Cwood managment coaches and supporters( Gosh even reporters and the general public have an idea of the collingwood culture. Maybe a single player can create a culture I doubt it thats all. Perhaps can create a culture for themselves as a leadership group can create a playing culture and yes that is important I was confusing that with the previous discussion about MFC culture. certainly the playing group, the leadership group of which will play a significant role in the expression of the culture as will the coach and you.

Again I apologise for being unable to respond in a definitive fashion to this very complex matter. Jolly says he was young and maybe missed the culture of Melb FC this says as much about the club as it does about Jolly. It may also say something about the current young players although from the various comments made I think people are saying the Jacks may be an inspired but long term choice. I still disagree with BH that the playing leadership group defines the culture, any more than the coach defines the culture rather they are all a part of the club and adopt confirm reflect or adapt a culture that goes beyond the play. I am not disagreeing with the many fine comments made and havent got the silver bullet answer but do think as stated previously that the more we discuss it the more clear it will become and the more likely we will all embrace it

The bit I dont agree with is in caps and could be said of Moloney The coach /es are not wasting time with any player That is their job. That is their time. I am certainly unaware of the reality of sylvias ability (he was highly rated and has be seen to play briefly at that level) Or the severity of his injury ( I have had debilitating back pain briefly and worked with people on rehabilitation programs who were restricted in being able to perform at their peak only briefly) or his off field antics (wether they help or hinder we have mainly seen the latter) or his leadership (he does seem to set an example on the feild and I have seen other players gather and support him) or even his ability to perform the role the coach wants (he may have been placed on the HFF to assess all oif the above) BUT I do hope that the coaches are giving their time to get the best out of Sylvia and all Melb players or giving them the time to understand that their (the players) time is up I also hope that this was the scenario with Brad who made the difficult decision himself as he has expressed it. The coach/es seem to have made some progress example most noticeably with Watts and there is certainly much more to be done I hope they use their time effectively Much of the comment on Dland even the vociferuosly negative can be used to inspire improvement lets hope that also continues so we definitely dont wate our time!

Certainly had a well known reputation and character. His reputation for developing kids was to my knowledge unsurpassed. Leaves an enviable and well deserved record. Condolences to those closest to him. All the best RIP

D32 given your insight in past have you got the same insight into this draft. Especially do you still follow U18 closely? I cant recall your comments on the Viney question mahbe you can add your thought on that as well. Nothing wrong with an "armchair expert" opinion and it may be rejected due to circumstances outside the chair but I do think the comments you made re other picks show a good bit of footy knowledge. Im happy to read more.

if you are right about being told then your metaphor may be correct. If he does have some currency then option 2 may well be his choice. Would hate to see that "talent" return against us.

Liked this until the definitive "He is gone" Given his age and obvious support here plus some of his endeavour with injuries 1 Tell him he has to run has to give second efforts tell him to chase. 2 Remind him that his attitude does affect veryone. He could be a leader Does he want to be? He could be with us or he may need to look elsewhere 1 is unconditional our choice 2 is his choice

both vi park and windy hill could be fearsome My mate injured his leg and refused to go on crutches to WH as he insisted the "fans" would kick his crutches out We went every week to every match plus some

"Failure tend to breed more failure, until you pick yourselves up by the scruffs of your neck and pull yourself out of it". CC that is a very powerful statement and IMO very apt. It could also be considered with the statement from JC "Schwarz is more than entitled to his opinion & should be commended for the way he has turned his life around" an endorsement that Schwarz could now provide the very real "legacy of professionalism, dedication to club & cause" as an example to the next generation and overcome perhaps the previous "legacy of getting on the [censored], the punt, hanging out with gangland figures & introducing that lifestyle to young, impressionable team mates".

Didnt read it like that at all Yes they did make them like that tm was merely saying that is the type of skill style and attitude that the next generation of recruit needs as ingredients to be made into the package??? Its sure not a bad place to start I Think???

With all the reference to turnover, just a query as it seems to be related to disposal I can recall saying when watching GLyon one day that a champion can make a mark or contest out of a poor disposal, (he received plenty of poor delivery) I watched the champions a little more closely and you can see that this happens Perhaps its what makes Mitch so good he gets to the contest and while in a different context its what makes Watts a bit special better skilled players can get the ball irrespective of where or how it comes as thats where their effort is directed As they become recognised by their team mates their disposal improves as their teammates knows they will get it and where they intend to give it? Any thoughts?