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This is the scary part. History is repeating itself with our 'star' players almost all regressing through their prime years. IMO this was always the root of our problem, not the coaching. I don't even know how it is possible for our senior guys to go backwards so badly. Normally with experience a player can't help but be a more effective player...the whole idea of experience is that things become easier for you. You've seen all the scenarios and you've developed ways to handle them. How are these guys so bad (Max excluded)? Is it laziness? Hubris? What is wrong at the core of the player culture at this club? Who can fix it?

Maybe the board are more switched on than many think (assuming reports of them believing we are a ways off are true). I reckon Buckley is possibly a mistake for both parties...our group is no good and the top end needs an almost complete turnover (pardon the pun).

Wow. These guys killed one coach's career and now they're going to scare anyone off wanting to come near the joint. Look at the age and experience profile of the 2 teams today...pretty similar but us with a bunch of 200+ gamers. Have our guys forgotten how to play football? The fulness of time is going to judge Goodwin as a coaching genius. These guys are legit plodders. Please let us get through one more week without a full Melbourne scoreboard implosion (I mean a 4 qtr one, not just a last qtr special).

Could he go to a lock down back pocket type role? I know his ball use is poor and he'd get done for pace but maybe he could make up for it in the contest...who knows maybe he'd just get too exposed for size and pace...

Good effort against a very good team. All that really matters this week and the next 2 weeks is that the players present a product that looks appealing to a high quality prospective coach. They held up their end of the bargain today.

The players have every right to be ropeable right now...with themselves. Reality is, rightly or wrongly (and whether it was going to last another 12 months who knows) Goodwin would still have the job right now if not for the players' 'laydown Sally' a couple of weeks back. They made the situation untenable. If the players are seriously more annoyed with the board than themselves then I am hugely concerned that they might be the most delusional group of people ever assembled. They had their chance to show their desire to see Goodwin safe in his job and they burnt him. Now over the last 3 rounds we get to see if they'll burn the club down too. 3 bad losses may significantly hurt our chances of trying to convince someone to take the coaching job. If they do lay down over the last 3 then it might just confirm we are better going with a young coach and a rebuild than a reset anyway.

I am in the minority and felt like Max and Jack both played the media thoroughly during the week. I don't think either of them believed what they said. I think the club would have sat them down after Langdons comments and let them know that unless they want to set the club back another 5 to 10 years (player acquisition, membership, etc.), public comments all need to suggest the players are on board and on the same page. We will find out today I reckon. Bulldogs are playing so powerfully offensively that if your defence is slightly off you'll get battered. It feels like a Melb player protest game incoming and could easily be 20+ goals. If our playing group veer away from Goodwin’s defensive demands I don't think they are good enough or internally driven enough to deliver anything competitive. Hope I am way off here. These are just my gut feelings.

They have a worse list than us...but they have had a significantly worse list than us for the last 5 years yet they routinely beat us or run us within a couple of points. They get more out of their players than we do (and that's scary). I'd be shocked if any coach with options willingly put the fate of their career in the hands of our players.

Yes please x 1000

Unbelievably grateful to Goodwin for what he did for us. Delivered one of the great sportings days of my life and one that i will not forget till the day i die. An all time Demon great.

Throw every last cent at him to come here in some role to fix our low player expectation culture. Look how filthy he was with the missed kicks by Papenhuyzen last week. There's no excuses, no buts. He expects effort and competence. Two things that we don't expect enough of.

No idea what he actually does these days, or if he has any coaching experience or interest, but this club needs a person like Luke Hodge who would not accept an of the cr@p we've been served up by the players over the last few years.

I hate the timing and think it's poor form. Should have waited till the end of the year. While I think it was probably untenable now, I still think many on here are going to be surprised by the depths we are going to fall to in the coming years. Goodwin will go down as our best coach of the last 60 years and probably at least our next 10. Ultimately he was burnt by a playing group that claimed to love him but routinely wouldn't fight for him or the club when the moments got biggest.

His best mate is Simon Goodwin. Might be a bit complicated.

Need both playing well over the last month to try and inflate their value. Our focus should be put them in positions to accumulate lots of possies (because the footy media do love a good possie). Can't carry this senior group anymore so need to find ways to extract value for them.