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    6 minutes ago, Elegt said:

    Completely agree. Oscar would never cop all that he does if he wasn't gifted games. It's not his fault at all and it's quite embarrassing from Goodwin et al. Reminiscent of when jack watts debuted

    At risk of invoking with the old adage about arguing with fools, who exactly would you have played instead of Oscar in all these games he was ‘gifted’?

    Name names he should have been behind, but played in front of. 

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    5 hours ago, JimmyGadson said:

    The club is entirely to blame for the sheer amount of criticism Oscar copped over his career. They just simply kept playing him, underdeveloped, underperforming, hoping that he'd come on and ultimately he never did.

    I agree that Oscar copped a lot. Unfairly only because he was consistently relied upon over the years to hold down a key position whilst underperforming more often than not.

    Posters are beyond out of touch if they truly believe he was never as bad as what some like myself believed. I get the emotion involved in being a supporter and posters like @binmanwho consistently defended him because he was a favourite. Oscar simply shouldn't have been playing AFL football on many many occasions during his career and that is absolutely indisputable given the fact that he didn't find a suitor over the trade period and has now been delisted at under 25 years of age. Think about that for a minute. It's near unprecedented.

    Honestly, this club make some absolutely bizarre decisions sometimes and they are to blame entirely for the way Oscar was managed, developed and then delisted.

    An embarrassment really.

    Whilst I was never a fan (and couldn't for the life of me understand why the club wouldn't target a mature-aged stop gap gorilla to allow Oscar to develop in the twos), I wish him all the best in his future endeavours.

    One can only hope the club has learnt from this one because they did everyone including Oscar a disservice in the way they managed him.

    Sorry, but if you're saying that it's 'near unprecedented' for players to be delisted under 25 years, you have absolutely zero credibility. I'll give you a crack at clarifying, because that's surely not what you actually meant. 

    And if you did, between the rest of us I think we could probably come up with 20 names just from our own club this has happened to. Corey Wagner, this year, for a start. 

    4 hours ago, Dr.D said:

    Thank God. He was a liability for so many years. And it just goes to show how blinded and biased some demonlanders are. For people, including the mfc, to expect to get a trade for OMac highlights just how misguided and biased their opinions are. He was the Jack Watts of the backline. And was gifted most of his games.

    Well that’s a pretty dumb statement, given we got a trade for Watts.

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    5 hours ago, Mach5 said:

    All the best to Jesse, hope he gets the support he needs at GWS.

    And for those who thought we didn’t win the Hogan trade by getting May... we did.

    Nobody questions winning the Hogan trade, it’s giving up a Max King type for May that got people fired up 

    7 hours ago, titan_uranus said:

    This is an incredibly hurtful position to take.

    People deal with loss in different ways. People grieve in different ways.

    If you managed to move on from your father's death and get to a point where your career is going well, hats off to you.

    But the fact you were capable of that doesn't mean everyone else should be as well. 

    A "just get over it" attitude like this is not helpful.

    That's probably fair enough. I don't think I intended to display a 'just get over it' attitude, but you're probably right. 

    I just don't think that was what caused him to blow up his talent, and Melbourne supporters in particular give him an easy out for it. I could easily be wrong. 

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    8 hours ago, Lord Travis said:

    Did you also get cancer yourself in the months after your father died from cancer?
    Did you have the media always watching and photographing your recreational activities? 
    Did you have other pressures from your job playing out publicly?
    Did you have other health issues directly related to your job impeding you?
    Did you have family pressures forcing you to relocate while experiencing health issues and trauma?

    Jesse has made poor choices for sure, and his career will likely be cut short as a result. Your comments however are a bit misguided and insensitive. 

    Some of this applies to me, and some obviously doesn't. None of it is that relevant to the point I made though. 

    For what it's worth, I agree with you - it's incredibly sad to see where Jesse has ended up. I was beyond excited when he arrived and thought we had landed the next Wayne Carey

    I suspect Jesse was heading down the wrong path before all this stuff happened. And his own illness obviously affected his mindset, you're absolutely right. 

    I could be wrong, but my gut reaction has always been that it's naive to assume that what happened to Jesse's father destroyed his football career. Who knows I guess. 

    3 hours ago, Lord Travis said:

    Sad the way his career played out. His first few years were brilliant for a young tall forward and he had potential to become an elite KPF of the competition. I feel for him, as he had to deal with some horrible stuff with his fathers death and then his own subsequent illness and fitness. It seems now he's well into the gear to the point where he might not be in the game beyond age 25. Very sad and another talented Melbourne player whose potential went unrealised.

    Most people lose their father at some point.

    I lost mine in my mid-20s and my career is going along great guns.

    I wish we'd all stop making this excuse for him. 

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    22 minutes ago, DeeSpencer said:

    The choice to pick your employer is almost a human right, the AFL did very well to get the restrictions they have in place. Top 4 bans and stuff like that are nonsense. Would never happen.

    The issue is the initial free agency was meant to be a stop gap solution for a proper expanded system and its never happened. 
     

    Expand restricted free agency back to 5-6 (or even 4) years and then unrestricted free agency after that and the salary cap would be more of an equaliser. 
     

    GWS will match and force a trade I’m fairly certain. But if they didn’t match and just signed Cameron then other teams should be able to swoop in and poach a lot of Geelong’s lesser players and hammer their depth. As it stands teams don’t want to do that because they have to give up draft picks. 

    This is the key. With the system set up so that only a relatively small number of players make free agency at a time, there's no big batch of players that pop out the back end. In Geelong's case, for example, someone like Esava might take this opportunity to bail but he can't, and other teams can't get him without giving up valuable picks. So he's stuck now behind Hawkins and Cameron, but can't do anything about it for like 4 years

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    10 hours ago, A F said:

    Handy player, but not for our needs.

    Aren't you the one who says about Ben Brown that when great players land on us we don't complain?

    I'd much rather Mihocek than Brown...

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    On 9/14/2020 at 9:19 AM, Superunknown said:

    Spoke to brother in law - Pies (yes, yes, I know - my darling wife and their entire family are Pies - a fact she did not disclose on our pre-relationship disclosure form) - about this. He said "you can have him. Can't take a contested mark, soft." I responded "lolz, he will fit in at Melbourne then. " (Self flagellation, it's a Melbourne thing, eh).

     

    Anyway, that feedback doesn't accord with what everyone else here says.

    Utter nonsense. He's tough as. I'd love him to be squeezed out and I'd have him in a second

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    3 hours ago, A F said:

    Weideman is not a great mark at this stage. He often two grabs contested marks. North have stuffed this up and now his trade value has diminished to our benefit. 

    How does a 60+ goal a year forward not suit our game style? This is another artificial barrier. Do people not want to succeed? 

    He'd struggle to get within a bull's roar of 60 trying to pick up half volleys off the deck on the lead all season, which is what he'll get if he comes to us. 

    3 hours ago, Demons3031 said:

    Hi SWYL  I hear where you are coming from on this. Barassi leaving still hurts me a lot. But I'm still grateful for what he gave us and respect him a lot. Being born in 1950 I'm among a few of the older folk on here who have gone through the pain for each of those 56 years. I think I care enough. And  I still think its the right thing to do to congratulate a player on a fine career-even if they end up elsewhere. But I can relate to your feelings about loyalty.

    God, why??? Let it go man. 

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    1 hour ago, Wiseblood said:

    Yeah it stinks, but then social media as a whole absolutely stinks.  Gives muppets the opportunity to bleat their thoughts without any real fear of reprisal.  

    It's not just social media. Demonland is as bad. 

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    On 9/6/2020 at 9:46 PM, Dr. Gonzo said:

    It was a bit of an offhand comment by Dermie which he was called out on and asked to name names. When pushed on it he mentioned Fritsch only because King had said the same thing a couple of weeks earlier. When pushed further he mentioned Salem and Harmes who he didnt know by name initially. It was a bit if typical Derm bravado that he was called on and then just chucked out a couple of names that wouldn't cause too much controversy.

    Ah, I see. What an [censored] that man is.

    3 hours ago, joeboy said:

    Normally I’d agree with your response to the three ‘experts’ but in reality, after watching the aforementioned discussion, I think they nailed it on the head.

    They used words like fickle, untrustworthy, flaky, mentally weak, and actually named Fritsch, and Salem, as prime examples, and the playing of an obviously injured Jones against Sydney as further evidence 

    i personally had no argument with their cases

    Salem wouldn't be in the Top 20 at Melbourne for flakiness. To single him out is absurd.

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    2 hours ago, nosoupforme said:

    All you have to do is give your all  bust your gut, play for the Jumper and make us proud.

    Why? Why is this a condiion of you not being hounded and abused in your workplace? 

    Comments like this are ridiculous.

    Imagine I put your photo on Facebook every time you did something stupid at work.Â