demon-4-life

6 minutes ago, monoccular said:

 

To both of the posters above --  as far as we are all aware, this is as of today, an allegation, as of today totally unsubstantiated.

Not even in the hands of any police force......no investigation......no charges..........no hearing.

How about waiting and watching without pre-judging?

Let me use 2 examples:

I once stole a picnic bar from a milk bar when I was 12. The store owner saw me and ran after me until she gave up. A crime was committed, but no charge no report. It still happened. This sums up the #metoo movement. It happens, but people don't speak up enough and just accept it.

Second scenario. in that same scenario, the Milk bar owner calls the cops to make a statement. The cops tell her, there isn't much we can do. There's no footage, it's your word against his. This sums up the Bali incident.

now let's replace me stealing a picnic bar with groping, sexually assaulting and a bunch of other vulgar terms. Let's assume there was no media. No one would hear about it. No "facts". 

Sooooo let's defend the "alleged" perpetrator. We're never going to find out the "facts". 

I know there can be false claims. I know I'm sounding self righteous right now. I'm doing so because I can easily count over 10 of my friends who have been groped, raped, drugged who haven't spoken up about it due to being horrified at the responses of "your skirt was really short" or "you shouldn't have drunk that much" or "why didn't you push him away". 

Or..."you had a lot to drink, are you sure that your memory is right? Make sure you get the FACTs right." 

This is the last I'll post on this topic. I just feel people need to think about the likelihoods.

This girl may have come forward in private about seeing what can be done about an incident overseas to hang some player out to dry and made it all up.

She also could have been sexually assaulted. 

Which do you think is the more likely? 

16 minutes ago, Petraccattack said:

I'll wait for more information, especially in the current climate of the '#metoo' movement where unproven or flat out false allegations have ruined the lives of many men.

 

Lol. Oh dear.

because the lives of women have never been ruined by men have they? Or gone unnoticed or uncharged. 

I think the pay gap between genders is a simple example of women's lives STILL being ruined by men. 

1 minute ago, ProDee said:

You don't know what she "believes".  All you know is what she's reported.

That's fact.

That is correct. Just ponder this question... under what circumstances would you or any person for that matter go and make a report of such things? To put your own name out there under such circumstances requires courage. There is nothing good that comes for the girl to report this and have the media attention. None whatsoever. 

That is why I take her word immediately and place more weight on it than presuming the innocence of a footy player.

again, personal opinion only. And everyone is entitled to their view.

1 hour ago, ProDee said:

I think it's too early for these sentiments. 

I'd at least want to know the allegations, circumstances, etc.

My sympathy will be determined by the facts.  Right now it may, or may not be warranted. 

While I can understand your view. The only fact I need to know is a girl has come forward that she believes she has been sexually assaulted. 

You don't need to have sympathy, although maybe try some empathy. What would she be feeling? What would she be going through. I'm not saying any player is guilty or not guilty. Just that this person feels she has been violated. That is fact. 

Let's just hope the person making the allegations is ok. Can't imagine the pain or trauma someone goes through when something like this occurs. Whether guilty or innocent, they felt the need to come forward. Hope the club and Afl ensure her wellbeing is the number 1 priority.

everyhing else is second

I dunno. I loved the Ox on SEN. But at the same time, its a contract. The contract expired. 

Putting the human side into it, if they knew they were going to get rid of them, surely give them time to farewell their loyal listeners properly. 

Where's the chocolate?

13 hours ago, Leoncelli_36 said:

What a peanut

Salted? 

I just want to highlight players that were around before the Roos era who were traded/delisted etc and the outcomes of them since leaving the club.  

2013
Delisted - Tynan, Sellar, Davis, Gillies, Couch, Magner, Stark, Taggert - None playing

2014
Traded - Mitch Clark - Retired, no impact
Delisted - Blease, Strauss, Westrup, Nicholson, Clisby, Georgiou, Tapscott - None Playing

2015
Traded - Jeremy Howe - ok, Toumpas - no impact, Fitzpatrick - no impact
Delisted - Bail, Mckenzie, Riley, Michie - None Playing

2016
Traded - Dunn - ok
Delisted - Grimes, Jones, Terlich, Dawes, Michie, Newton - None Playing

2017
....

I would argue of every single trade or delisting has been 100% spot on.  I see Jeremy Howe being the only one that would be in our best 30 players now.  

Am I concerned about Watts leaving and it coming back to bite us?  Not one little bit.  100% trust in this administration.  Could it have been handled better?  Probably.  In my experience, relationship break ups are hard and there are often things said and done that could be done better.  No different here.  But, rest assured, this is better for the MFC.

Not many left from 186...

If Garland retires...I think it leaves Jones, Tmac and Gawn who were on the list at the time 186 was played...

My 2 cents:

For those saying this is all "Goodwin", and Roos got the most out of Watts etc.  Sure, that may be true, but so what?  It's Goodwin's team now.  He can shape the list how he sees fit.  We don't talk negatively about Roos bringing on board Michie, Riley, Kennedy et al.  We just go with it.  Roos has been great with culture absolutely.  He has only won 1 premiership as a coach.  

With Goodwin, he's a premiership player x 2, a captain of a footy club and a natural leader.  I back him in knowing what it takes to build a premiership list.  

To Watts.  Yes he's loyal, and a great club man.  Yes he has skill.  These types of individuals definitely have their place in any club and have great benefit.  What he simply lacks is his drive or ambition to do what it takes to be the best.  In the past, this may have been enough, but with the professionalism of AFL now, it simply is not.  I use Trent Cotchin as an example this year.  Previously I would have put Cotchin in Watts category.  Nice, polite, and skillful.  This year he pushed himself to the next level.  His desire to get "dirty" and put his body on the line really showed.  I'm yet to see this in Watts.  

There was a post comparing stats earlier about Watts and Lynch.  That is quite damning.  Something that we don't have stats for, which would essentially find Watts out in my opinion is the number of times his marking contests brought the ball to ground when he didn't mark it.  Our game plan is if we can't mark it in the fwd 50, to bring it to ground and trap it in our forward 50.  When Watts didn't do this during the year on several occasions, it led to a transition and goal or score down the other end quite often.  It releases the pressure both implied and scoreboard and kills momentum.  

Long story short, it's clear that when we make finals next year, Goodwin simply doesn't feel confident in picking Watts as he's not sure which Watts he would be getting.  Thus...he's a liability. 

3 minutes ago, jnrmac said:

So now we have a a final decided by the umpiring will the AFL do anything?

Nah...

I think you mean a final decided by two players from opposing teams.  One that gave a high tackle in the forward 50, and the other being the player that kicked the goal.  

Yeah we're definitely not there.  Stating the obvious, but we need to beat the pies.  

Coming into Sunday twilight game, Ade has a high chance they have top spot sewn up.  They'd go in bruise free away from home.  WCE with everything to play for and on their home deck, could easily win by 20-40 points.  

I bloody hope we come to play.

Did he do enough today?  Thought he did some good things.  Got exposed on the spread by Boak though.  Reckon he's in again next week...then when Bernie comes back...going to be interesting.  Hope he puts in a blinder next week to make it tough for selectors.

Heart still thumping. Nev is a god. As is clarry and tmac. 

Footy has a funny way of balancing out. We lost a couple of games where injuries really took their toll (Geelong and Richmond). Today it's evened out in my opinion. Entire 2nd half with the blues 2 players down. I'll take it.

thought Kent struggled. A few time he just wasn't clean. Boy was Jesse rusty. Smith will be better for the run. He's a great find. 

Stretch I don't think will make it in the end (hope I'm wrong). Melksham needs to stop whinging when he feels there is a free kick. I saw maybe 2-3 times after a contest he just stopped and didn't chase. Not what we need.

Ok...so I've had 24 hours to soak it in.  And to reflect, read reports, forums, watch replays, highlights.  Damn it's great!!!!

The thing/thought that keeps playing in my head is the Simon Goodwin presser after the Tigers game.  It was along the lines of "good teams find a way to win".  

Against the Tigers, we were 2 players down early and were leading by 20+ points, but lost.  

Last night, we were 2 players down (later), down by 17 points.  Viney injured.  Away from home.  No Hogan, Jones, Watts.  We found a way to win.

This was as impressive a win as any.  Simply on a high!  THE LID IS OFF!

On 2017-5-28 at 7:56 AM, Skuit said:

WattsTF? Think they may have confused a couple of Hannan's efforts as Jack's

Mmm...I think you might need to watch the game again.

Watts kicked 1 goal.  Should have had 2.  He also had 3 goal assists.  He also had a clever tap to Harmes that led to a goal.  And he crashed the pack to allow Garlett to run on to another goal.  

That's at least 6 goals he was a part of.  If not more.  Solid game.  

Hate to say it, but think it's one week at a time.  If the last 3 weeks have taught us anything, suspensions and injuries play a huge role.  

Essendon coming off a short break in wet weather.  They might snag an injury in the first quarter.
One thing I will say.  We need to be very very aware of their small forwards.  Tippa and Fantasia are top notch. 

1 hour ago, Chris said:

Agreed but that actually isn't the point. The MRP is ridiculously inconsistent. Apparently you can elbow a bloke across the face while he is lying on his back and get less penalty than hitting bloke on the chin. Both wrong, both should be suspended, but the reason for the difference in suspensions is wrong and shows the systems is broken. 

The broken system is what is being discussed, not that our boys are innocent victims. 

1 hour ago, daisycutter said:

think most posters agree on the guilt, but think the mrp have been excessive and inconsistent in the grading and suspension duration 

I'm not sure why it's broken?  
Conduct was Intentional, medium impact, high contact = 3 matches.  It's pretty straight forward if you ask me.

Now as has been discussed, the only thing that could be argued is whether impact was low or not.  I'd say any contact that causes a broken jaw or concussion is quite substantial and to call it low is pretty tough to argue.  Either way, I understand the frustration/annoyance/grievances aired here.  

If they had decided to strike to the guts, this would have been avoided.  Still think it's a low act and there is no need for any of it.  But, it's not as if the rules and the criteria hasn't been around for a while.  

Suggestions to fix the MRP....

...tell players not to strike opposition players in the face?

Sorry to state the bleeding obvious, but if we took our biased opinions out of it, at the end of the day Vince, Hogan, Lewis all went too far.  Need to cop the penalty.

27 minutes ago, Leoncelli_36 said:

does Salem have a penetrating kick? I reckon he'd struggle to cover 50metres. He is a good user, but our get out of jail kick was Bernie playing on and going 60 metres wide to Gawn

 

You're making an assumption that Carlton are going to score   

If things go according to plan, kick ins shouldn't be required much on Sunday.

Got what it should have.  Silly from Bernie, but that's who he is.  Don't want him to change.  Take the good with the bad.  

Off the ball, high and intentional.  Don't really care about "impact", as it's not really a good look.  

I always remembered the Hawks during their reign pushing the boundaries.  I think this is one of those cases.  Just simply that Bernie went a little too far.  Take the medicine, move on.  

Thought it was a good hit out.  WC are a good side and on their home deck.  Their midfield of SMitchell, Priddis, Shuey, Sheed, Gaff, Masten, Yeo is up there as being one of the best in the league.  Not many midfields boast 2 brownlow medalists.  I expect them to be top 4.  

We had many chances to win this game.  But WC also had many chances to put us to the sword.  My thoughts which more or less resembles most people on here.Turnovers leading to direct shots on goals is what will undo us in majority of our losses this year.  WC's ability to slingshot and do the 45 degree angle kick to open up the ground was exceptional.  Their skills to execute this was of a high standard last night. 

• Oliver is a beauty.  Nuff said. 
• Skills/entries into our fwd half were questionable.  If those hit targets and become shots on goal, we probably would have won.  

Think this has been a great pre season for us.  An underdone Doggies first up was good to get the cobwebs out.  A walk in the park against a lower side in Carlton.  A tougher game against a top 4 side (IMO) on their home ground in hot conditions.  Results reflect where we're at as a club.  Personally think we'll get done against Saints Rd 1, but I don't think that's the end of the world.  Reckon we'll give them a run for their money though.

On 04/03/2017 at 10:13 AM, DemonAndrew said:

8-15 wins, somewhere btw 5-15 on the ladder.

i think we're heading for another up-and-down season in what should be a super-even year for a host of teams who might make finals depending upon injuries and form.

Somewhere between 0 and 22 wins.  btw 1-18 on the ladder.  

Someone had to do it surely?

Wow.  Isn't this great to see.  

We'd want to lock away Salem and Stretch quick smart.  Aside from that, you'd assume Bernie will be a year by year prospect that will get assessed at the latter end of the year.  The rest are "depth".  Would love to see Trengove become a required signature.  Hope he gets the chance to prove it this year.