old dee

I have worked as a supplier to that industry for 35 years DC Too much power in the hands of two. No where in the world do 2 control 80% of the market. I could tell you stories of how bad they are for 2 hours but I am sure we both have better things to do.

I still dream Deeoldfart quite often over the last few years I think it is the only thing I have left. Perhaps 2012 will be the start! We maybe 2 year olds starting our first campaign?

WJ I have got to the point with GWS that all things to do with them make my brain go into hibernation mode and my eyes glaze over . But if I must comment then it is a very ordinary song but so are all the new entrants IMO. All the good ones are gone and it takes 50+ years before heritage starts to kick in, I thing Geelong has one of the worst songs but over time it grows on people Especially after you win 3 flags in 5 years. On that basis the GWS is going to be poxy well past all of our times on this earth.

No, too rich for me wyl just from what I have picked up during Neeld's last couple of public mutterings. Hey I might be adding 2 and 2 and getting 5, it is just my reading of the situation.

The pies under strength is probably still way above the dees in early March. Time will tell Redleg just don't get to far ahead of ourselves. I smell " we are learning a new system and it takes time" in the air. Which may be 100% correct I just do not have a good vibe after hearing Neeld yesterday.

I am used to pain following the Dees it comes with the territory. Have not given up yet wyl. Amongst all the extreme positivity on Demonland I cannot help but try and inject a bit of realism ( i think I just made up that word ) It would pay us all to remember this is basically the same lot that gave us such a wonderful 2011. They are trying to play a new style and a lot in different positions and as everyone reminds me they are mostly kids who need more games. Under those conditions it is not unrealistic to expect some poor performances at the start of 2012. Playing Collingwood and Hawthorn when you are trying to learn something new looks like very hard work to me. Both belted us last year when we supposedly knew what we were doing.

And still going strong!

After hearing Neeld yesterday Redleg I think you are right. The things he said suggested to me that for the Dees the nab cup was more about testing plans and players than winning. So on that basis I thinks rounds 2 and 3 will be wipe outs. The pain could start in early march this year.

I hope not Redleg I would like to see win a few games. On top of my desire to start the season well is the need to get the max. number of members on board. To achieve this we need some good results in the Nab cup. Particulary the first week. Only 2 good results will do.

I think that is a fairly short bet RL

Mate I think we are having the same discussion we have had before. I am sure we are just discussing degrees. I think we are going to agree to disagree on this one.

Then how come WCE seem to have very little problem last year. How come Brisbane won 3 in a row. How come Sydney played in 2 GF's in a row and won 1 and lost the other by less than a goal to the WCE. It seems to me that good sides win and poor sides don't. There may be a small amount of problem but it seems to me it is a handy excuse. Oh we had to go all the way to Perth last week and we were so tired this week. We had better get a grasp of the problem if it is that big or we will be wandering in the wilderness forever.

How do you come to that conclusion wyl? Seems to me we have one of the better ones. Not saying it is necessarily the easiest but looks fairly good to me.

I am confident we have had this discussion before wyl. The travel thing IMO is grossly over played. WCE travel a lot more than other teams . When they have had good sides they win flags. When they have had not so good sides they do not. Just an excuse for poor results. End of the story for me.

Anyone notice the article in todays Hun about which team has the hardest draw? Well, guess what according to the Article the Dees have the easiest. It is based on which teams you play twice and travel. So we had better have a reasonable year.

He is lucky he does not come from Victoria or he would have been dropped a month ago. Then again if he was from NSW he would have another 3 months to go.

Yes there is a little creeping in Deeoldfart. Usually starts around this time of the year. Based on past disasters I try and keep a lid on it By May I am usually well and truely depressed. Perhaps a change this year????

Is it just me or is anyone else over the summer sports already? I could not care less who wins the cricket one day games. Melb. Tigers are hopeless Tennis is gone GP is months away "A" league nah like watching grass grow Perhaps the horses Redleg? I should be the last person wishing my life away but the footy cannot come quick enough for me.

Does anyone know what Davey's injury is? He has had a few leg injuries over the last 3 years. Made a spelling mistake thought I had better correct it before BH got on to me. No it was not Davey

Redleg I think Davey is at the end. his injury list is mounting. He has slowed a little and that was his big strength. give him a hard tag and he is useless. I hope I am wrong but I see him spending a lot of time at Casey this year.

Probably a typo Redleg I am sure you meant to type "when we win"

That is two that they have stuffed up Redleg!

I think I heard he is coaching in HK. Probably getting paid 5 times as much as he was in Melbourne. There is one thing the Victory board cannot do. They cannot change the fact that Ernie won 2 flags. It will be a very long time before that is equalled. I suspect long after the current board has been shown the door.

I don't follow either Redleg, the game frustrates me. I doubt I will ever get keen about soccer, spent too much of my life on AFL. Probably my loss not soccers' The Victory board fasinates me much more than the game.

I know very little about soccer WJ but they do not appear to have a back line in addition to a hopeless board.