Adam The God

Might be a bit of an extremist view on your part then, Drags. ?

Well, there you go @EnterTheDragon. Now you know you must be wrong. The neggy Doctor agrees. The new Kiss of Death on Demonland.

With SOS as list manager and the old boys club remaining, Carlton have a distinctly old MFC, living off past glories vibe about them. I reckon they're in trouble as a club.

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Yeah, well, exactly. If I'm Jesse, I'm more likely to want to stay at Melbourne, even if it is for $400-500k less pa. The Gaff likely re-signing adds further intrigue - does Jesse follow suit?

Yep, clearly says a lot about Lyon and Freo, but this is what you're insinuating I think.

For mine, it's clear we've identified the defence as our weak point. First getting Hibberd in there, then Lever and now we're going after May. I hope we're looking to entirely transform our defence in the space of two or so off seasons. If so, that would be simply superb list management. At the same time, we address our other outside need with KK and this year or next we go hard again for a Kelly, Whitfield type to further strengthen the list.

I like Pearce, who @Patches O’houlihan mentioned earlier in the thread. Put him alongside May and Lever and we've got real versatility to play on talls or smalls. Not to mention it releases Hibberd to play rebound and Jetta to play lock down, while relegating Omac and Frost to depth. Win, Win, Win for mine.

It doesn't suit their purposes because they need to sell hope. Another year under the dour Ross Lyon and no sign of tangible improvement. They need Hogan and they'll desperately pay to get him. Wowza. And Rosco's pregnant.

I'm trying to recall. Have we ever traded with GCS?

Perhaps.

Yeah, but the two aren't mutually exclusive. In my view, the club is driving this because Hogan has refused to extend past next year. I wouldn't be surprised if we'd all initially put off contract talks until the year of the season. Once we lost to WC over in Perth, our list management team sat down with Hogan and his reps, and asked him whether he'd extend. When he refused, we encouraged him to explore his options.

Yep. Clear to me too we're driving this. I expect Freo are posturing RE: Neale being worth more than a first rounder to placate their supporters when they have to give up two first rounders up for Hogan. Still, bizarre tactics from Freo given they in turn undermine their own negotiations over Jesse's worth. Unless, of course, a deal has already been struck between us and then it becomes merely an attempt to save face with their restless supporter base.

Hahaha, the guy is a deadset muppet. How stupid can you be?

Earlier in 2018. ?

He's been waiting for this moment for how many years? Wouldn't want to be washing his pants tonight.

I've never said it's that simple. But I have said games are won in the midfield more often than not.

Because West Coast's midfield is a lot more consistent than ours...

That's West Coast, who did not lead the competition for inside 50s and clearances.

Indeed.

Who can remember who West Coast's key forwards were in their 2006 premiership year? It's still won in the midfield. Who won the North Smith medal this year? Kennedy or Shuey?

I'd argue outside pace is one area you could get us. That's why I'd go hard with that remaining pick and our own future first rounder for a gun mid with toe.

I'd forgotten he was their list manager. That might explain why GCS don't rate KK...

That'll go down well with Tom...

I'm pretty sure PD wasn't insinuating we'd hold onto the future first rounder in that situation. More that this would give us another asset to bring in a ready-made player now.