Adam The God

Well, hang on. When Hawkins got ahold of Omac, was it our midfield or Hawkins that day? Or are you picking and choosing? And what happened on QBD? Did we try to out position or out body Cox or did we simply let him jump at everything?

Sort of. For the first five minutes or so.

But hang on mate. Dangerfield is coming isn't he?

Did you watch our prelim?

I'd rather Frost defending than Tom and that's saying something.

Maxy, Preussy and Belly?

Paradoxically, he's really good in contested situations in the forward half.

Terrible idea. He's a turn over merchant in the back half and ordinary one on one.

I don't rate AVB but he signed a three year deal. Jesse won't sign beyond 2019.

I'm not sure what you mean here, mate. We helped him during these issues and as far as I can determine, we would have continued to, but he wanted to go to WA. How is me saying Jesse staying will make a mockery of our culture, related to the hardship Jesse has experienced?

Absolutely, O'Keefe is a good example of someone who's gone the other way, but I reckon it makes a mockery of esprit de corps and if I were Goodwin I'd be deeply uncomfortable about this.

No one potted Chook from memory.

I'd vouch for Patches, mate. His information is good. Might not be enough for you though, Drags.

And Peter Bell wasn't at the club yet to start the slow build of planting those seeds.

I'm convinced you can't seriously sustain a proper culture that is built on mateship and trust (esprit de corps etc) and have a guy on your list who refuses to recommit beyond his current contract. He's done at Melbourne and a trade should be found at all costs IMO. We've stuck by him through everything and have put our arm around him in his time of need, but now we both need to go our separate ways. Thank you for your service, Jesse, but we need to do what's best for us now.

[censored] post. Well done.

Yep. I want him gone now. He didn't want to commit and he lost me then. He wants out. Clear the deck and bring in May.

It's a bit like the real estate industry though. Whatever someone is willing to pay becomes the price everyone else has to pay. Adelaide may well have overpaid, but it sets precedence and sets the value of other players high. Particularly, a player who is a KPF at 23 years of age, consistently kicking 40+ goals in a rising side. Hogan is worth two first rounders every day of the week. 5/6 and 10-15.

I don't think it's this simple though. They seem to want May out now. They won't want to wait. Freo's potential bluff could well back fire on multiple fronts.

Sorry, I wasn't suggesting we had handled it poorly. I simply meant that sometimes a clean break is needed and unfairly (from what we know) the MFC may end up collateral damage in this process in Hogan's mind. I could be completely wrong, but it is a possibility.

If he wants to go home and the pull of home is strong enough, he'll get to the Eagles IMO. Otherwise, I wonder if this process has tarnished his feelings of Melbourne too and a fresh start somewhere else could be another possibility. That puts 16 other clubs in the picture, but more likely clubs in the fight for the flag.

I reckon this is the little man's last ditch effort to get us to accept unders for Jesse. It is classic walk away and bluff. I'm not sure Freo can afford to do it though, because if we don't budge, Freo look very ordinary on paper next year.

Wouldn't they pop him on the trade table for Wingard?

I'm not sure you make yourself out to look like a dill if you don't mention May in the Hogan trade. There's no need to signal your intention. Less is more.

But IMO we'd have been demanding two first rounders anyway. A top 5 pick with another early to mid first rounder. We didn't need to give them any leverage. I disagree that it makes them come up with a strong deal. They need to in order to make us come to the table at all, given Hogan's contracted and we don't have to trade him. Further, Freo have external pressures on them (the FD and the administration) to step up and get their members signed on for 2019. Their cross-town rivals have just won their fourth flag, Freo are still on the duck and have been on the decline since 2014ish. We didn't need to put heat on them. They were already in the fire.