hoopla

Ideally you'd want to keep Warnock. His judgment, positioning etc let's him down at times - but he is strong and fast - the sort of key defender its hard to find.

Like any trade - it all depends on what you'd get for him. If we could somehow use him in a 3 way deal to get David Hale as a tall forward/change ruck, I'd be supportive. Anything less .... and Warnock would be a loss.

(I'd take a draft pick for Cheney .... anything up to 55 or 60 .... he has limited upside potential)

Not sure that we could get him - but of all of the players looking for a new home, he's the one who'd really boost our list.

Proven tall forward - and capable ruckman - to ease the load on Jamar while Fitzpatrick and Gawn develop.

The finals system should stay the same.

It certainly doesn't need to be expanded!

Agree

Will Jack Trengove make it?

What are you smoking?

( If you are a lost Port Adelaide supporter, he calls himself Jackson?)

I wanted to put Collingwood's minor premiership on top of the list - until I remembered that you can't fall out of love with something you've always hated.

1. The sight of players running to and from the interchange bench.

2. The increasing tendency of umpires to penalise the bloke going for the ball.

3. Long "half time" waffle sessions during delayed telecasts.

With apologies to Lynden Dunn's moustache.

What are you on about hoopla?

This WAS DEFINATELY NOT an anti Watts thread!

Read the OP. Tell me what is Anti Wattts about it?

I am genuinely peeved off that we arn't going to him more often. I reckon there is a reason, but I am not sure what it is. Have you paid attention to the OP at all? I state repeatedly that I wish we went to him more. Sorry if you see it any other way. Simply put, I am frustrated that the kid works hard up and down the ground and doesnt benefit from his hard work!

Yeats_08, I guess I took it that you were implying that something about Watts attitude or persona had put him offside with his teammates (.... "there is an issue here"). Keyser Soze seems to have read it that way as well.

It seems that was not your intention at all. My apologies.

The fact that he waved his arms in frustration at times shows he is hungry for more.He took 8 marks on Sunday ... how many would he have taken if we had honoured his leads?

That because he was No. 1 pick it goes with the territory.

And we are all looking for the KPF to lead us to the promised land.

Yes... all true.

I just get frustrated with the number of posters who seem hell bent on finding fault with him. People don't usually criticise loose men when their teammates blaze away at goal without passing it off ....

Hoopla why is it Taboo to discuss Jack Watts?

Is he the only player that is beyond comment?

No he's not. But he is the only player who has had more threads than games played !

Correct, he has not earned his spot for the last 4 - 5 weeks

How else do you account for the fact that he is constantly ignored?

He took 8 marks yesterday. How many would he have taken if his teammates hadn't constantly ignored him ?

Give the kid a break!!

Good post agree.

No...not a good post- just another ( albeit subtle) anti-Watts post.

So they don't always see him ... or as a kid he's not always in the right spot... or he is acting as a decoy...?

Leave the kid alone - just let him play without his own supporters looking for a problem every time he scratches himself

We really should ban any more Watts'threads!

The thing that sticks out for me, is that the cocaine was undoubtedly performance enhancing.

There's no doubt in my mind he wouldn't have been as good a player without the drugs.

The man has a lot of self-belief, but the cocaine would have taken it to another level.

I cannot help but agree - somehow this seems to have been overlooked. To me it has to tarnish his Brownlow - and the 1996 flag

Lynch is a pretty good long range kick at goal and has a physical presence but he does need a fair bit of space to work in. We have mobile forwards in Watts and Jurrah and Petterd who is a traditional lead up forward. I'd prefer a solid type forward who can exert physical pressure in a confined space close to goal whilst the others work off of that to our advantage. IMO we don't necessarily need the tallest KPF available but someone who is strong, good 1 on 1 and obviously an accurate kicking. Lynch is probably not the sort I envisage.

Tend to agree with this. He may be a huge man - but he is at his best on the (long) lead and has a big turning circle. Anyway , nobody has asked the key question.... is he a hard working ,forward thinking, team orientated person?

Will it looks like the hero of mfc Jordan McMahon career is over and not getting a last game in favour of Dylan Grimes

heres a video of my highlight for his career

Any chance of him doing a lap of honour before the Melb v North game ?

Stupid thread... put it away again please

I find it hard to believe that after so many posts criticising the efforts of Miller, Newton, PJ etc that people are seriously advocating a Leigh Brown type coming to Melbourne. Just like Ashley Hansen and Cam Mooney in previous flag winning teams, he is an average tall who is made to look much better for the team around him.

Spot on !!

As per interview with CC on SEN this morning, the club is leaving it to Brad to decide. Brad also wants to contribute to Casey in the finals seeing as he has been there all year.

Despite his limitations Brad has been a great servant of our club - and deserves every support. But I'm not sure that we should set a precedent by giving a farewell game to players who have played less than 150 games. I recognize that his recent performances at Casey have probably earned him promotion - but if he wasn't the right player after a 10 goal game - then he is not the right player after sharing a 5 goal game with Matthew Bate.

I hope his desire to be part of a Casey premiership team prevails - from all points of view.

Fantastic initiative by the Club, and great that we have finally reached a financial position where such things are affordable. Well done Melbourne Football Club. I don't recall ever seing similar (thank you) ads directed at members and supporters of any of the other clubs.

Yes excellent initiative - because it doesn't just say thank-you it also promotes the heritage of our club to the general community. I would like to see it shown once or twice on free to air.... as part of general promotion to attract new members and sponsors.Let's maximize the return from the investment in this very professional "advertisement"

I accept that there will be a point at which the cost is prohibitive - but it would only need to help attract one new sponsor to pay for itself. I'll leave it to the club to do the cost:benefit analysis.

We've got a Leigh Brown. His name is Paul Johnson. I think we have up and coming ruckmen to support Jamar. We need a forward or one more gun midfielder much more.

Hang on..... isn't Paul Johnson that Number 11?

I thought it was a strange and unusual comment for a MFC Assistant/ VFL Coach to make. Not the best aveneue of disclosure unless of course Miller has been advised and the player already know.

Even if this has been properly communicated to Brad and the player group, an Assistant/VFL Coach should not drop it to the media during a routine discussion after an VFL game. Miller's career plans - and his standing in the eyes of other clubs - should be respected. Did Brad ask the club to make it public like this? I doubt it............

6. Bruce

5. Scully

4. Jurrah

3. McDonald

2. McKenzie

1. Rivers

Very disappointing performance. Must beat North on Sunday ( not just for Junior)

James Strauss is such a good kick .... I'd love to see him make the grade.

He has struggled all year - and the coach's comments in several VFL Player Reviews have been less than complementary.

I note that he has been dropped to Casey 2nds this week. Has the FD decided to re-sign him ? If so why wouldn't they want to give every chance of getting some VFL finals experience?

I'm not knocking him by any means. I'm just asking the question? Is he about to be de-listed?

however much we are all buoyed by the prospects for next year, and we all expect to reach the finals quite understandably, there are worrying signs. We have an extraordinarily talented list, but with Junior's retirement, and the likely move of Bruce up north, we will be worryingly short of onfield leadership next year. Let's face it, in our outstandi g wins this year, mostly it was the e perienced playerswho got us across the line admittedly in an extremely talented team. Next year we will be very short ofexperience.

I hope we will not regret today.....

Sorry ... unnecessarily and inappropriately pessimistic.

The club is systematically developing a leadership culture throughout the playing group.We had some of our best wins when Junior was out ........... and Bruce is going nowhere. Green, Moloney and Davey have already stepped up and Grimes has maturity beyond his years. We have Rivers to help direct the defence and Sylvia to help drive the forwards The age/experience balance of our list is just right.

The Club has the right and the obligation to make assessments of each player and where they stand in regard the following year. It is a credit to the Club that had the foresight and judgement with the communication to advise a player like Junior that he would struggle for selection in 2011. They have to make the right decisions by the Club. No player is bigger than the Club and Junior would know that. The timing of it is fine allowing Junior the chance to have a send off game in Melbourne.

Having previously said that I was a little disappointed that it wasn't announced as a mutual decision ( if not as Junior's decision), I thought I should add that I have to agree with Rhino's sentiments.

It is the right time ... and I guess the fact that Junior wanted to continue is probably just a reflection of the never say die attitude that has been his trademark.

As pick 70-odd in a rookie draft , he has probably come further than just about anyone in the modern history of the AFL.As much as he might try to deny it, he will surely be remembered as one of the legends of this footy club.

I just hope he receives the accolades he deserves from the AFL and the football community as a whole . Well played Junior........

Brad Green. End of discussion.

Absolutely

Im a little disappointed that the decision was made for him. James I thought deserved to at least make the decision himself.

At the very least it is unfortunate that both parties weren't able to at least hold out that it was James'decision. He deserves better than to be remembered as a bloke who was "retired" by his club.

Hear, hear. I'm really disappointed that the club did this. Part of the reason we did quite well this year is because the senior players really stood up. James was playing well before the injury and should've been given another year.

If he had continued playing the way he was playing before he got injured, thee is every chance that he may have gone on ... but as things stand it is probably for the best that he finishes up now. The last thing any one (esp James) would want is to have gone on .. only to struggle with fitness and form next year at the expense of a developing youngster.

All round I'm sure it is for the best that he finish on high with 251 games . Its just unfortunate that the Club ( and James) didn't say that he had decided that his body had just about got to the end of the line