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I guess, but surely any player, no matter what role, is expected to touch the ball every now and again. When McKenzie went back to Casey, there seemed to be a clear message to work on his ability to hurt the opposition as well as be defensive. I realise Barry is young and at a radically different phase of development, but I'd have thought the place to develop in that manner would be at Casey.

I'm not attempting to defend his 'efforts' - though as AoB rightly says above, it's not effort that the issue, it's skill. I recognise that he makes too many mistakes. I see that that miss last night hurt the team. What I don't agree with is the way he gets singled out. I raised the Tyson point not to single out Tyson, but to make the point that there are many others who make terrible mistakes, none of whom get raised on here. What about Bernie? He's made several really bad kicks out of defence in recent weeks that have directly resulted in opposition goals. Again - nothing gets said. Only the Grimes errors are discussed. As for being a terrible captain - he's been 'voted' in by his peers for three consecutive years and endorsed by two different coaches, at least one of whom clearly knows a bit or two about leadership. The club must think he does something right.

Fair enough. It's woefully hard to make an informed decision when I don't have any first hand info to go off.

Not sure what to do about Barry either. Hasn't spent much time on the ground obviously, but doesn't look likely to touch the ball at this stage. I'm doubtful he's adding more than JKH might, though it sounds as if JKH has been poor at Casey. Seems like the old cliche of shuffling deckchairs.

I deserved that.

Garland was horrible?! We all have our biases - not sure if it's me or C&B on this occasion.

In: Jetta Out: Terlich Hard when, by the sounds of it, the only two players who did anything at Casey were the worst kick of the footy on our list (when our side clearly has a surplus of those, and a player who has yet not got anywhere near enough of the ball at AFL level. Not sure what big Max is offering at the moment and would not argue against having him swapped out either - either in place of Terlich, or as well as, if anyone can find a second worthwhile in. I'd rather sacrifice the ruck and have Pedersen play in the for 5 mins a quarter than have Maxy give us zip when in the forward line.

And the penny drops.

2 clangers. I know stats can be misleading and/or ambiguous, but that one is well defined. I know Jack isn't the greatest user of the ball and I won't even say he's not symptomatic of our problems, but it makes my blood boil when week after week, in games when more than half the oppositions scores comes from turnovers, Jack Grimes mistakes seem to be the only ones people remember. Dom Tyson (who I am a huge, huge fan of) had 5 and currently ranked equal sixth in the competition for total clangers. I bet I'm the last person to mention him in this thread. But he doesn't have number 31 on his back or a © next to his name, so his don't matter.

Stuff it. 6. McDonald 5. M.Jones ---- 4. Garland ---- 3. Kent 2. N.Jones 1. Frawley

Yes.

You win a prize for being the first one. Congratulations.

It's not the difference between us winning and losing, so it's a non-factor. It's a 1%er when we're ignoring the 100%er: we don't give ourselves much chance of winning when we play like arse. Freo also played in Darwin tonight and I suspect they might make the finals.

You mean we're not going to make the finals?

Can't be bothered trying to rank the players, but thought our best defenders were McDonald (BOG), Frawley and Garland (much better than has been recently), our best mids were the Jones brothers, and our best forward was Kent.

So frustrating. We lapsed in concentration late in the second quarter, and regressed to "Old Melbourne" in the third. It reminded me how much I bloody hate seeing opposition get easy goals, but it's also not something I've seen all that much of this year. As at mid last quarter, they'd scored 8.2.50 from our turnovers. The final margin was 53 points. The number of errors we make is unbelievable. We desperately need an injection of some class. Looking forward to seeing everyone single out Grimes as if he was the only one to make an error.

There's my stat: Freo have scored 8.2.50 from turnovers. Ouch.

Still the worst poster on Demonland.

How amazeballs is it that even when missing a couple of key players, the 4th side is way better than the 15th side? You could tickle me pink, how much that fact surprises me! The lack of perspective on here is... well, at its usual levels, I guess.

What a frustration we are at times. Would love to see the "opposition goals from errors" stats from this year and how much it accounts for the scores.

Outstanding contest Pedersen; man handled, keeps his feet, give off to Kent who finishes nicely. Equal credit to both boys for that goal for mine.

Melbourne vs Freo. You? I dunno. I like contested footy. The lads are tackling and contesting. I would agree that a goal or three would've been nice though.

I couldn't agree less.

Are you trying to give dee-luded's recent record of consecutive posts a shake, macintosha? At least he was actually responding to other posts rather than replying to himself. (5 posts merged)

Yes, clearly, otherwise he'd have been omitted on those numbers weeks ago. "Which intangibles?" is the million dollar question...