Nasher

If I were a gambling man I'd put a healthy wager on Bail not being dropped. Will be a 22 game club member this year.

Yup, here it is: the epitome of threads that don't matter. I'm genuinely terrified about this game. Out: Tapscott In: Cross I know it's hardly ringing in the changes, but as tempting as it is to drag in class ball users like Nicholson and Matt Jones from Casey... Gosh I'm ready for this season to finish now.

Bail has played every game so far. I don't think Roos shares the popular view on this particular player.

I thought Brisbane were just as bad, if not worse with the footy than we were. I doubt that if I'd been barracking for the other team, I'd feel any better about the result than I do now. Was not difficult to see why those two teams are where they are.

That was very hard to watch. Watching us get overrun by bog ordinary teams is not getting any easier to stomach. Very ready for this season to end now.

I'm not convinced that signing for another club and being committed to your existing club for the remainder of your contract are mutually exclusive things. In the workplace, for every person I've seen put their feet up on the desk for the last few weeks, I've seen just as many gun it right until the end. You'd have to treat each case individually I would think.

Look I'm not going to carry on about it, but it's not about whether he reads it, it's about paying respect where it is due (and I acknowledge you did in your post - but the right doesn't correct the wrong). I don't think being on a discussion forum changes when a comment is appropriate or when it isn't - there has been and will be plenty of opportunities to put forth views on how he went at the MFC, I think the timing is wrong. Just my view. I'd prefer this wasn't turned in to a fight, please.

I think it's really poor form to give the bloke a backhander when he's calling it quits.

The round 23 timeslots don't get released until now, so this is news as we knew we would play North, but didn't know the time or day until now. Is that what you mean?

First post, so I won't just delete the thread as I would normally. Please use the existing Frawley thread: http://demonland.com/forums/index.php?/topic/36611-frawley-stay-or-go/

True. I hadn't considered match payments.

You strike me as the kind of person who would claim that we wouldn't win a game for the whole season after a poor loss in round 3.

I was thinking over a shorter period of time - like half a season max. I suppose to could be extended to an entire season if necessary, but I highly doubt Frawley signed that far out. A player signing with another club with two years or three years to run on their existing club is unrealistic.

In my line of work, if I took upon a job at a competitor, I'd hand in my four weeks notice, and would be sent on "gardening leave" for the duration of my four weeks on full pay, with my building access would be revoked. In other more "standard" jobs in the past, I'd give my four weeks notice, and spend that four weeks handing over and making sure those taking on my responsibilities were fully up to speed. In neither case would I have any reason (practically or morally) to lie to my employer. Frawley's position is comparable to my own - sure, he'd have to go on "gardening leave" too (i.e. no longer available for selection), but it would be on full pay and won't affect his contract at his new club. It's a small price to pay for doing the right thing by your club (employer). I agree with Redleg that it would be very low if he's signed already and is fibbing about it. I'm doubtful that it's the case anyway.

And Cross.

Exactly. Ladder position is much a function of other clubs form as it is our own. I'll be focusing on our own form, not whether or not St Kilda can pluck a win or two from nowhere to pass us on the ladder.

Depends on how we round out the season, really. If the other teams happen to pluck a few more wins out of their rear ends and top us, then that's just bad luck. If it coincides with us playing limp footy, that would be upsetting. Still think there is no chance of us finishing last though.

Vince at his Adelaide best was a game changing A grader. We haven't seen that on display, but he's been very solid and I agree that he's better now than his last season or two at Adelaide. He's such a massive upgrade on Sylvia though; the price we paid was peanuts in relation to our needs. Both these two players have been crucial to our return to form. Bloody hard to split and I reckon both will be B&F top 5, but it's Tyson by a nose for mine.

Me and Roosy are Grimes apologists.

He tackles to hurt. Been a while since we've seen a tackler like that in our side. Wrecker?

I'd be filthy. I have no time for players doing silly things and getting rubbed out.

The OP has moved to 8th position in the all time most 'liked' posts.

I thought Dawes marked well today when he only had one opponent. Looked a lot better with his hands than he has in the last few weeks. Dawes should benefit immensely from Hogan being in the side. Not having two players on him most of the time should help to improve his form a bit.

I'm almost afraid not to find a vote for Nathan these days.

So St. Kilda can take him? Doubt he'd do that anyway. I'm sure we wouldn't be the only club interested, he'd just choose one of our rivals who didn't try to make him jump through hoops to get there. Decide whether we want him, decide what price we will pay, and pay it. Trying to dick around with these things rarely produce good results.