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Topic amended for people's ongoing cardiac health.

Emily's Dad is the new Judd's Grandmother.

If anything, getting the sulks up further justifies it. Compare and contrast to the Tom Bugg response.

Thanks. That's a fair bit different to "causes a free kick or stoppage".

That was news to me. It almost makes the tackle stat redundant. I often wondered how so many players could make it through a whole AFL game without laying a tackle. Do unrewarded tackles get recorded in any way? 1%ers?

Your condition has deteriorated badly in your time away, Rangie. I haven't the faintest what this post is about. I think there's a shot at me in there somewhere because I saw my name, but I'm not offended because frankly, it went flying over my head. Get well soon mate.

Might as well put the cue in the rack then!

Odd combination George. Are you actually Frank Abagnale Jr?

Neither Jones nor Goodwin are very articulate in front of the media. Jones is just regurgitating exactly what the coach says. The "journey" thing is just them trying to tell you that we're a work in progress. It might be tedious to listen to, but it's pretty hard to disagree with the point. I wouldn't take the absence of those key words to mean an absence of commitment, it's not the point they're choosing to labour in front of the mics. I'm a big supporter of our coach and our skipper, but I think you could just as easily skip the pressers and you wouldn't be any less informed. They give donuts.

Martin, Morton and Gysberts traded out. Green (retired), Jurrah, Moloney, Bate, Bennell and Cook delisted. Gee, the side starts looking stronger already.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not against giving Trengove a shot at some point. I don't want unforced changes though unless it's a clear, definitive upgrade - Hibberd and Hogan are the only players available who offer that in my opinion. Tinkering around the edges like that gives me flashbacks to 2012 when we had a team of NQRs doing a revolving door tour of the side on a weekly basis. *shudder*

I see absolutely zero point in the Trengove for Bugg exchange. Excited to hear the reports about Hibberd though. I thought he might take a while to get going, but it would seem not.

It's certainly going to be hot - both sides credibility is on the line, and it will happen on a big stage. Richmond are flying and we're buoyant - the 'G will be packed and nousy. I can't wait. "Biggest test in years" is just silly hyperbole though. At our stage of development, every game is winnable and losable. Every week is a test - it's just that this week, more people are watching.

I don't think that's an argument against using consequences as an input in to the penalty, which is the position you took (or at least, how I interpreted it). I think my examples show that the consequence is relevant and you appear to agree. I think both our arguments lend support to the idea that the weighting of the consequence should be significantly scaled down, but I'm yet to be convinced they should be discarded altogether. A cherry on top rather than the determining factor if you will. By the way I completely agree with you that the outcomes at present are BS and are in need of reform. Just trying to flesh out the logic in where the process fails.

You would expect to see differing penalties for: A drunk driver who doesn't crash or kill anyone A sober driver who crashes and kills someone A drunk driver who crashes and kills someone Would you not?

Same mate. I'm too cheap to shell out for Foxtel HD though. I begrudge having to have Foxtel at all as it is - footy is the only reason I have it.

Nah, the problem was they weren't playing Carlton, so the opposition doctor didn't put in a report of delayed onset concussion. They are using the consequence as a factor of determining impact. I can see the logic in it, but it can lead to inconsistent, obviously bulldust outcomes, because it comes down to the word of the club doctors, who are going to exhibit varying degrees of conservatism (to give them the benefit of the doubt).

I dunno man, you asked what the problem was, so I told you. No skin off my nose as I'd prefer to trade in HD for no ads anyway. This is the first year I've even had the option of watching footy in HD.

The lack of HD is the problem I think.

That was kind of my point, dazz. By any measure he was an ordinary player, but he played 51 games, so he must have added something. Even if only 1 in 10 kicks hit a team mate, if that passage leads to a goal, over 51 games it's more than enough to produce a pretty good highlight reel. Obviously I am not trying to compare Pedersen to Luke Williams, just making a point about using YouTube highlights when arguing on a player's merits. It only tells a very selective piece of the story.

I doubt anyone is trying to argue that Pedersen hasn't had his moments - anyone who makes it to 61 games has to have. If Luke Williams had played in the YouTube era, I could probably come up with 10 occasions he was instrumental in setting up the play too.

Narrrrp. Their first round pick this year is with St Kilda and their second round pick is with Gold Coast. Not sure what pick 37 is going to buy on the trade table. They sold their future for O'Meara and Mitchell, and now they are just plain old bottoming out. Eat it, Hawthorn.

Great post Dave, thanks for the insights. MFC clearly taking the p*** with Hibberd in #91. Nathan Jones' Casey number is probably 157.

I just spat my coffee.

About 85% is what elite midfielders do consistently. You get the odd freak who can hammer out the occasional 90% - Cross did this a lot for us which is one reason I think he was underrated, but generally, nup. Salem, Viney and Tyson are all pretty much there this year, and Petracca exceeds the target but as a forward. It's really only key defenders who ever tickle the 100% mark, and even then it's rarely. I guess what the TOG% stat doesn't indicate is work rate - while players may spend a lot of time on the ground, we don't know how much of that is spent covering territory and how much is spent loping about doing bugger all. I'd love to see a comparative table on metres travelled during a game.