daisycutter

true. but the tour de france and other cycling events you would have to agree were quite exceptional given the rampant use of peds in that industry. it would not be fair to use their treatment of retrospective race results as a yardstick for other sports, especially without proof of similar excesses. retrospectivity always has its problems i know. i do accept there is a reasonable case for no result, even though in this case it's not my preferred option

tend to agree binman think the penalies in the right ballpark even if the process doesn't completely pass the sniff test bigger fish to fry and no point getting bogged down for years with this one..... points have been well made, only a fool would try that on again.

so you mean -10, redleg?

i wonder how d'landers would feel if cotchin was nate jones?

ok, understand (and i suspect this will be the result today, even if i disagree) btw your footrace analogy is not always so simple. generally to get to a final you must qualify through heats, semis, prelims etc before the final. in all these races someone has been eliminated and denied the chance to progress to the finals thus complicating the theoretical result just as in the afl example. In the case of the ioc they just ignore this anomoly and simply remove the miscreant from the final result. ..............just saying

i'va the umpires only gave 3 players votes per game. it is therefore impossible to remove watson's votes and promote other player's votes completely. no-one knows who the 4th or 5th or even sometimes the 6th umpire's fairest and best player would have been occam's razor would suggest just use the next final positions i.e. cotchin/mitchell

well given the number and quality of staff these days at an afl club (and mfc in particular) i don't think there is much chance he won't get enough nurture and attention. whole different world than what he would have faced in a junior country club.

caveat emptor

any word on draft pick restrictions on club?

so, which one was correct?.......i haven't seen either

lol

that's why they wanted them to appear at the hearing tomorrow.........so they could do a signed confidential deal (they can't do anything without a "deal")

well we'll find out in 2 days. i suspect they will take the option that placates essendon but

don't know if it is any help to you doc, but i believe nbn just recently launched their own satellite. i seem to remember reading that this would allow them to use new technology for a better faster solution for satellite users. i didn't pay much attention to it at the time (as it wouldn't affect me) but there may be some promise in it for you in the future. you might like to pursue that line of investigation? there again my memory might be wonky.

'cept he wasn't one of the "34" charged can't remember what he actually admitted too though

i'd just like one player to come out and say unequivocally and simply 'i/we did the wrong thing, i/we were guilty' instead of the spin that is so much part of life these days. i'm not holding my breath.

well we all hope there is no reason for the knives to come out, but footy journalism wouldn't be what it is without the knives, but i'd prefer we get some early good publicity rather than starting the season with a lot of negative press as has been the case for years. things are genuinely looking on the up, but the battle is only really beginning

may as well bask in the sun before the knives come out

see post #11 i was talking of a permanent 3 division comp (a'la us sports)

the afl like breaking records, w. it's good for business i'm told (and bonuses)

so you are saying that if the 18th team at the end of round 17 then doesn't tank but still finishes last you will "reward" them for the wooden spoon and not tanking by giving them pick 8 in the draft as a gesture of equalisation and thanks..................rightio

too true doc. it's not for me but. it's for all those historians of the 22nd century. i'm sure though that all our collective posts on bananas will certainly exceed 4 pages, so i am at a loss to understand the optimistic target being set. far too orwellian a task i fear. pass me the soylent green please, the popcorn has all been eaten

you eat the peel?

redleg, i don't doubt the afl will officially strip him of the medal come tuesday. only the governing body can do that. all watson has done is return it for their decision, returning it at the last moment is a bit reminiscent of essendon "self reporting" only when they heard the axe was about to fall.

four [censored] pages! this will be akin to the wanton destruction of the library at alexandria. at least thanks to modern technology we will have the wayback machine