Oakridge Demons

I'm all for making our team better, unless we have something else up our sleeve, 1 year wit Hawkins is better than any other option currently on list 

Option 1 - Maybe a philosophy on defence doesn't win you finals ????

Option 2 - Build a list with some difference !!

All midfielders same type - no speed,  defence to slow, forward line - recruit/trade for a bull 

3 minutes ago, Jaded No More said:

Probably bit ritch on a Melbourne thread !!!

2 minutes ago, Webber said:

 

They will argue he had time only to react instinctively. I’m not saying that’s true, but it will be the defence, and he’ll get the benefit of the doubt I think. That he’s a thug footballer is true enough however. Cox too. 

Yep, but you can already see Collingwood biased media trying to get him off, and on other hand crucifying stupid act by van rooyen, one player knocked out !!

Other gets up and kicks 2, difference??

Yes we need to be better forward if we can get a  small defender with speed, we are unbeatable 

Can't defend quick ball movement!!!

Any chance we can get a coach to tell these guys to lower eyes and hit a leading target going forward !!!

Bomb in everytime to Brisbane advantage

Just now, sisso said:

Look even more average!

Yep, correct !!

Team of average skilled fumbling footballers.

Cant question effort, but need polish 

10 hours ago, binman said:

The thing is with the kicking skills isse, there is no easy fix, and they certainly won't solve themselves naturally (which is not to say we can't try something up forward - but really rhey are pretty limited what they can do. They have after all tried petty and brought Smith)

Goody has built a game style that this list of players  can win flags with.

What's the point of us, say adopting the pies model if we don't have enough players who can reliably hit high risk kicks that model demands.

We went all in on contested ball winners in tracc, oliver, Gus and viney - none of whom who are elite kicks. 

We had Max, a generalation ruck - but just a passable kick, albeit he has really improved his kicking over the journey.

Only two elite kicks, in Watts and Salem, though Wattsy not tough enough, or committed I'm guessing, for goody, so he's soon out. 

And in Salem, we essentialy took him and Hunt, instead of Kelly, who is exactly the sort of plsyer we now need. 

Max, tracc, viney, oliver, gus and salo. Some A grade stars. Contested ball beasts. Bulls. Not much silk.

But, with the exception of salo, often unreliable by foot and only salo an elite kick at the Pendulbury, Sidebottom level. 

That's the foundation goody inherited.

To that he added key the structural players in May, Lever and Langdon he needed to build a premiership team.

But again, all three are ok kicks, but certainly not elite.

In May's case he is elite sometimes- but turns it over way too often in the 20-30 metre range, often under no pressure.

It will take time to bring in some really skilled players to support Max, trac et al - all of whom are locked in on long contracts. 

Taylor has been working on it though. JVR is a terrific kick, nice simple technique, Mcvee is a great in, Laurie is waiting, Howe looks like he has neat skills, and I really like Sestan's kicking - has the knack of balancing up a touch before hitting it.

And Hunter was a good pick up - adding an elite kick straight in to the 22. 

When the weather improves and we get closer to finals, we will increase tge speed of ball movement and transition.

And all things being g equal we look like we did rounds 1-6. More space, more free players ahead of the ball, more movement by hand, riskier corridor kicks leading to better angles  leading lanes openingup etc etc- all of which mitigates the kicking skills issue.

Frustrating, but we're close to playing that sort of ballistic, fast game that everyone loves. Let's just hope it doesn't rain again this year. 

It's also worth remembering that the method goody has built is based on that of the tigers - who also had a pretty average list in terms of kicking skills.

The tigers also built a model to take advantage of the strengths of their list  - and won three flags.

All great points !!

Tigers had 2 great key forwards, not sure we have any !!! (Van rooyen in couple of years)

And Not sure a system that relies on no rain can work in Victoria !!!

3 hours ago, rjay said:

I think the forwards are putting pressure on the disposal...but in reality that's the easy bit.

Better they get the ball and put pressure on the scoreboard.

Maybe only problem with moving salem/bowey from backline is who are the other good ball users in backline, i like the idea, but im thinking all will happen is more turnovers in backline.

We just dont seem to have enough good ball users, suggest that is why we play the defence 1st system, will be competitive every year but like ross lyon coached sides just not good enough to beat the best year to year.

#thankgodfor21

I cant wait 4 binman and the boys discuss this one !!!

Can keep spewing out all the stat's in thw world which say we should win, probably just need to look at results over last 6 weeks.

That stat tells me more !!!

Do love the podcast though 👌 

3 minutes ago, dees189227 said:

What did Joel Smith do today?

Think he was supposed to be on haynes !!!

Didn't do very good job, everytime ball come in, haynes was on his own with smith out back 

Lack of skill shows us up again.

GWS even though completely outplayed still looked cleaner, no fumbles.

Just listening to replay of podcast.

Love your work boys, but cant agree with binmans assessment of easy draw to finish ???

Look at ladder, we have only beaten 1 side in top 8 and all other wins are against 6 of the bottom 7 sides.

This would mean we have to play all sides inside 8 to finish.

Hope im wrong, but i can't see how  we beat pies on monday with the form we're in, and too think we can just flick a switch and play 2021 footy in the back end just doesn't sit well with me.

Any chance of hitting target going forward??

5 minutes ago, Garbo said:

Score line flatters us, we were beaten for 3.5 qtrs tonight, unfortunately same story as our other losses out worked round the contest, black line under pressure all night, fwd line non functional 

Story same as our wins

20/30 minute's doesn't cut it against top 8 sides

Forward line connection has been our problem for 5 years, except for last 2 games last year, my issue is our coaches have seem to have done nothing, we still move ball the same, kick long and hope someone marks it !!!

We continue to dominate out of center but just bomb it long and hope to mark it or break even, when is the last time we broke out of centre and hit a leading forward !!!