Stiff Arm

2 minutes ago, layzie said:

Once again, our club lives on its knees.

Ain't that the truth. Would 100% be a different outcome had it been Viney on Daicos

Time for the MRP and AFL tribunal to be completely independent of the AFL. No former players, no former officials, no one with ties to the AFL. Completely separate from any one in the AFL

AFL has just missed the chance to be the clear sport of choice for parents wanting their kids to play team sports

4 minutes ago, YearOfTheDees said:

Has anyone on here read the findings. This line.

Brayshaw could’ve executed his kick in a different direction or in a different manner, landed in a different manner or in a slightly different location.

Yeah, Gus should be suspended for 4 weeks for causing that

🙄

Can the AFL appeal?

Oh wait, I forgot what I'm saying... what a stupid suggestion

JVR gets a week and Maynard gets off.

FMD now I've seen it all

Dropping the shoulder into the opponent's head after a smother attempt is now legal in footy opening the flood gates for others to do it 

Watch it happen more often in junior ranks

Great legacy Gil

If Maynard gets off, he legitimises every player from this week on trying to smother and then dropping the shoulder into the opponent's head. He will have set the precedent for others to follow. AFL need to be very, very careful

1 hour ago, Demon17 said:

Absolutely.  Jobe handled himself with class all the way and was screwed as we all know.  Huge sympathy for him.

Brownlow Medallist (*) Cripps?   Meh!

Really? I recall Jobe sooking about it and not returning the brownlow... ever. Said he couldn't find it, or something similar

Jobe wasn't "screwed", he was banned for drugs not permitted by WADA at the time and therefore could not win the brownlow. Pretty simple

SEN This morning saying Maynard was reluctantly let into the Brayshaw house bringing flowers, chocolate and wine. An unamed Melb player was there with Gus at the time and was so angry at Maynard, he had to leave the room. Fair to say the the Brayshaw and Frawley families are not happy with Maynard. I suspect they will be furious when his hearing is over

Many times this year where we've played daring, skillful footy for a quarter and blown the game apart. Vs Brisbane was a good example. Fast movement i50, players leading to the ball carrier, chaos ball rather than long bombs, more open forward line

Certainly there's more to it than this, but one thing we know for sure: bombing it on top of forwards does not work fir us in finals against good teams

3 hours ago, JimmyGadson said:

Yet you'll hear the 'real experts' on here try and make any excuse possible to play down what has been fundemental flaw and weakness in our game for so long. 

And the number one reason we lose games we should win. 

Oh, but we had 4 out of bounds in the last!!! 

🙄

2 hours ago, Wodjathefirst said:

Sadly, I believe you are most likely on the mark. (Can I hope that you are wrong?)

Unfortunately, I was travelling in 2018 when I believe that our crowd and noise was phenomenal in the finals. Wish I was there.

I was however lucky enough to see all our finals in 2021 (SA and WA). In WA the amount of support and NOISE was out of this world. Nothing quite like having 70% of the crowd with you (basically a combination of fanatical West Coast and Freo supporters). Mark my words, the crowd helped our team immensely. (The Geelong game in particular, was pure bliss. You just had to be there)

From a crowd atmosphere perspective the first game the following year back home in Vic (against the Doggies) was flat, almost disappointing. I get it, it wasn’t a final, but it was still flat.

This year it is quite evident that the coach and individual players have almost at times been begging for us to turn up. It makes a big difference. The 19th man syndrome is real. 

So we have 70,000 members. Big deal. The sad reality is that we are not as passionate and rusted as we would like to think we are. Yes, as much as I love to hate the Collingwood and Carlton fans (and Essendon and Richmond), I truly am envious of their passion and energy. They have something that we don’t. Yes, I’m jealous.

I am already feeling for our players come this Friday. What they need from us they most likely won’t get.

The price you pay for barracking for Melbourne 😢

What waffling rubbish

"not as passionate and rusted as we would like to think we are" ???

Seriously, speak for yourself only.

Just now, Jaded No More said:

It's not Blues supporter, it's that both Semis are on sale at the same time, as well as NRL finals tickets.

WHY oh WHY did they not stagger the release like last week?

 

I was being facetious 

Happy with M50

Got M50, about half way up

Was slower for me this time, took 20 min to get through

Bloody blues supporters clogging it up...😡

18 hours ago, JimmyGadson said:

It's both you goose. Clearly.

Our method means our players refuse to give the ball to team mates in more dangerous positions which would equate to better looks going inside 50 as well as shots on goal. 

You can't claim that we lost the game due to a few missed set shots but at the same time say it has nothing to do with method. Because there are missed opportunities at shots on goal in our method as well. 

Go and look at first crack and the vision that Montagna shows. Every game we play there are countless missed opportunities to change an angle or go inside to a free player which would open up so many opportunities for forward to lead to space and therefore opportunities for shots on goal. 

It's about honouring those at the right time so that we obviously still play our game plan. But we simply don't do it enough. And we possess players who simply aren't composed enough. 

You think you're contributing deep analysis when really your summation is that we lost due to a few missed set shots? Righto. 

Our method creates problems when faced against sides who know how to combat it. We have execution issues and have for a long time. We have a lacklustre and boring forwardline. Etc. The issues are multifaceted. 

 

Trac agrees with you, Steve

“I feel like the last three or four weeks we probably had a similar forward line and it’s worked really well so us mids need to get better at actually delivering the ball inside 50 better rather than blazing away and putting it on their heads.”
He added: “We won the inside-50 count, but I don’t think that was a true reflection on the game, you have probably got to look at quality over quantity and some of our efficiency stuff going in wasn’t great."

https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/semi-final-sos-and-a-potential-grundy-return-blues-dees-mull-changes-20230910-p5e3hl.html

Pig retiring at the end of our finals run

1 hour ago, Brownie said:

It's both the method and the misses. It is a combination of both.

We should have finished top of the ladder if our forward entries and structure were better and our accuracy in pressure games wasn't so bad.

I reckon it's both.

This. Exactly this ⬆️

Spoke with a couple of random Collingwood supporters this morning who recited the 'it was a football act' and 'if you've ever played a contact sport you'd know it was ok'.

Funnily enough, I played the game in my youth and when questioned, neither if them had! Ha!

As an aside, does anyone from MFC attend the tribunal? Maybe our club doctor or someone from the FD? The hearing needs balance 

2 minutes ago, Binmans PA said:

No it doesn't. We had 3 more scoring shots than them, plus 7 on the full ons. That's 10 scoring shots and expected score suggests many were more than gettable and we should have won.

We kicked 3.7.25 to 6.4.40 from turnover. That's the game right there. Our inability to.convert our chances from turnover lost us the game. Not our method.

Had we converted more of our i50s into scores we would also have won the game, regardless of the missed shot we had. 

I believe the 7 on the fulls were for the whole ground, but there were certainly a number in the forward line

Thats it from me, good night AF

Can't see Laurie going, unless he gets a big offer elsewhere, which is unlikely.

Upgrade Turner and McVee 🤔

Reckon it will be 4 draft picks incl Pup Brown

McAdam from Adelaide rumoured to have requested trade to us

Any FAs we might be into?

2 hours ago, Binmans PA said:

If you want to boil it down simplistically, you kick a winning score, based on method. The method is how you get there. And the method got us there 16 times on a season. The method isn't the problem. It's the execution. Fritsch, TMac both missed multiple gettable shots they'd usually get, that's the game right there, before we even mention the 6 other on the fulls.

Plenty of excuses could be used for the loss: injuries, poor goal kicking, Gus getting knocked out which prevented Trac spending more time forward, etc. They are simplistic excuses

The Pies also missed a number of gettable shots, that works both ways. 

Yet, with that many forward entries we should've won comfortably

I don't think I've ever seen a worse game for ineffective i50s. And this is a pattern years old. Might win us 16 H&A games, but gets found out in finals

Our "method" fails to convert a large enough percentage of our i50s. We had 26% conversion into a score from 69 entries, Coll were 41%, and they weren't exactly accurate either

With those entry numbers most teams would expect to win by 10 goals, in which case our missed set shots wouldn't be used as an excuse. Collingwood can only dream of stats like that

IMO it is our connection forward and predictable forward strategies that will cost us this year's flag. That is where our "method" fails. With that addressed, we crush the Pies

BTW, I believe Tmac missed one set shot, not multiple 😉

29 minutes ago, Redleg said:

Liam Henry has chosen the Saints as his new club.

Better option than the Hawks IMO

28 minutes ago, Binmans PA said:

Nice analysis.

Nice response, AF

The objective of the game is to kick a winning score. We can talk about our contest and defensive strengths ad nauseum, we know they are our strengths, but we struggle to have a functional forward line and decent delivery i50, and have for years. Locking it i50 isn't good enough. Let's talk more about how we are going to score goals, without using injuries as an excuse

Fwiw, if you havent already, might like to read the Roar article which talks about our forward strategies on Thurs night. 

Their point about our first goal from the Brayshaw hit was spot on. No one was leading towards Gus, despite the leading forward being a weakness of Howe and Moore. Everyone was running back one on one. Trac was Maynard's opponent and was free and 40 out direct in front waving his arms. But Gus has been taught to kick long, just what Coll had hoped for. The better option was to flick a handball to Trac, given no one was leading forward into the open paddock

20 hours ago, Superunknown said:

Club to read this and implement fix:

Finals Fix: Manic Magpies expose Dees' massive flaw - but here's why they should have to win it all without Maynard

That article describes our predictable forward strategies to a T.

A good read.