Gawndy the Great

I agree but many don’t. Clearly MFC think it’s an option otherwise they would have bought in Grundy already.

That and out parting with Freo players. Now usually I couldn’t give a flying F for one’s social outings but you can see the perception that it creates. The fact that he has no interest in WC basically takes them out of the running and hence kills any leverage we had as the alternative (PSD) is not the option. It doesn’t take much to do a tour of one’s facilities and create an illusion that he would consider WC. But I suspect the player , manager are telling Bell that he will be at Freo next year. Why else would Freo be so cocky in their negotiations.

It’s pretty obvious IMV. I have no issue for LJ wanting to leave. It’s his right. However it’s not too much for us to ask LJ to behave professionally in the matter so that we are adequately compensated or have some leverage in negotiations. This is the part that leaves a sour taste and I’m sure the club would be unhappy with this as well given how much we have supported him and did right by him all year. It is quite disrespectful.

Parting ways with an employer that has treated you with respect with a big F U would say a lot about him. I do wonder if it would effect his standing with the players.

I have dibs on the handle if we recruit him 😂

Freo won’t want to lose out. The scumbags made a commitment to LJ and are really dragging him through the mud. Hopefully his manager realises the magnitude of his f up and advises LJ to consider discussing options with WC. Also they should flag publically that he’d be happy to extend with MFC if a deal cannot be reached as opposed to the PSD. This should have been the play from day 1.

You miss the point. The compensation will never be better than what we could get or the true value of LJ or any player and club in this situation. There needs to be parameters around it but the intent is that any player that is not a FA or RFA cannot just nominate and force the club that has invested in them to trade and be at the mercy of the target club. most times the current club has no standing and no leverage and would lose out by forcing their hand and letting them goto the PSD. By having some form of compensation that is triggered only when the player is forced to nominate the PSD, gives the current club something to use in negotiation. The parameters could be based on factors including age, requested salary, pick taken in the draft etc. The more I think about it, the more I think it’s required.

I’m wandering this as well I’d say we can sign all the way until the ND. His desire to get to Freo has to be used against him. Freo are desperate for him as well given how they have structured all lost changes to make room. The Lobb delay is clearly their tactic as Grundy is ours. Neither of us can have both of them at the same time with LJ. I say we stand firm and threaten PSD. Surely he resigns for another 1-2 as opposed to playing for Norf.

The AFL have to step in to stop this nonsense as well. Clubs with players departing need to have some compensation from the AFL comparable to worth. Not saying it has to overs but it gives some bargaining power so that the requesting club cannot bend them over. We cannot rely on their ‘good will’ anymore. If we don’t like the deal, fine send him to the PSD and get a comp pick at end of the first round or something along those lines.

I am starting to think the Lobb trade is holding it up. 13,30, F1, F2 (NMFC) gets it done for sure. it’s a minimum 3500 points and could be up to 4000ish point wise. We could then take 13, NMFC f2 , 30 to WCE for Pick 2 and end up with either Cadman or Warlord. We then have 2 picks inside 1st round next year and could again get into the top 10.

it was a one off discount and expired the week the offer was put out back in August. I sure hope we get the Demons win we win discount.

Thats fine but he is still carrying unprofessionally with his interactions with the Freo club and non-interest in WC. He hasn't lived up to his end of the bargain from what can be made out on social media.

Twomey suggesting Cadman to go somewhere in 1-3 mark. Can see the other posts suggesting the same. We will struggle to get him and we'd need WC's pick 2 to have a chance. But even then, GWS will probably trade with NMFC to get him. Norf dont really need a number 1, but 2-3 first round picks would do them a great deal of becoming and remaining competitive for a while and thats even without even considering what they could get for JHF.

Because they'll net more picks in the following year having to get him to Freo. Its a one-off $1M investment for more picks to bring in more talent or trade for better players. It is a no-brainer for them and they'll have cap space. Also whats to say that he'll deman $1M? What if his contract with Freo is back-ended? As an aside, surely the AFL should look at compensation picks for clubs loosing players to the PSD. I havent thought about it too deeply and im sure there are opportunities for clubs to exploit this, but for scenario's where a trade cannot be organised, compensation should be awarded to the club loosing the player based on some fair-value calculation. This should at least create a deterrent for clubs not to offer under's and give some bargaining power for clubs that are in our position.

So who has the most to lose if a deal cannot be struck? 1. We have immediate coverage for LJ in Grundy , but we lose picks obviously. Sure we lose a bit of face but have stood firmly. 2. LJ goes to Norf, best case to WC if Dunkley ends up in the PSD. So he can’t get home or play footy for a year and has a crappy salary. 3. Freo caught with their pants down, Lobb at the Doggies with no real 2nd ruck option and a bad reputation for future trade scenarios. Hard call, but I don’t think it’s us.

Couldn't we ask for 11, 13 and their F2 then?

For the most part i agree. However in the last few weeks he could have: 1) Visited WC facilities and engage in discussions with their list management 2) Stopped hanging out with Freo players 3) Have asked his management to leak discussions with media on his possibility to resign for another 1-2 years with Melbourne if a deal cannot be reached. His good intent is very shallow and Freo are seeing straight through it for the lack of reasons sighted above. Heck he's probably having dinner at Bells place tonight.

Perhaps they want to keep something for this year and hence their unwillingness to trade Norfs comp pick to us.

Theyll try and do 21 and F1 for Dunkley from Brisbane. Then give 21 to Freo for Lobb. Freo can then package up 13, 19 and F1 (or 21 from Brissy) Problem with 21 is that holds a lot of points for Brissy to let go as they are chasing Ashcroft and the other fella.

The posturing alone while there is still time will send a message. This is where I was annoyed with LJ - he could have waited a few more weeks before he started to hang out with Freo players.

I can guarantee you that half the stuff on DL is bizarre but I dont judge. Maybe I’m being a little immature but we don’t have many options and have little bargaining power. We have to create some leverage. We can say that we want two top 10 picks but where does that even leave us? All we need to do is create doubt in LJs management and Freos list management team . Viney doesn’t owe us anything - yes - but NMFC can do us a solid which they could cash in at a later time. Viney could defy help make that happen.

Not if WC deal pick 2 with Port.

Viney wouldn’t let that happen. That is screwing us royally.

Well the idea would be for Norf to leak that they would before the draft so that LJ is compelled to sign with us and not take his chances in the PSD - Viney can make sure that happens. That way we avoid him thinking he’ll just walk into WC. if WC trade pick 2 with Port there are half a dozen clubs that’ll take LJ anyway before he even gets a look in to WA. So either Freo or WC trade with us fairly or LJ resigns for another 2.

Get onto Viney (Todd) and organise a leak that Norf will use one of their 1st two picks to net LJ if he nominates for the PSD. Then play hardball with Freo to get the picks we want plus another F2 for being [censored]. If Freo fail to provide adequate picks let LJ go through to the PSD. He’ll then sign a contract with us for another 2 years and we can then deal again next year.