DaveyDee

37 minutes ago, Wiseblood said:

That's great.  Some would agree, others would call him a troll.  I fall in the latter.

And him 'bleeding red & blue' might make him a better supporter than you, but it doesn't make him better than the rest.

Yeah I don’t see it that way - I think all he ever does is try and share his love for the club. 

Now, Saty and his partner have not always seen eye to eye with me either - but I think I was more at fault there. I’ve learnt more from meeting him than he knows. 

But each to their own 

8 minutes ago, Wiseblood said:

No one is a better supporter than anyone else.  We all contribute in our own ways, whether that be through attendance, membership, posting here or wearing your gear into work on a Monday win, lose or draw.  While I don't agree with some posters on here, that doesn't mean I would consider them any less of a supporter than me or anyone else.

Ok fair enough well said, but I’m not walking away from saying Saty is one of the most loyal, passionate Demons supporters you will ever meet. He and his lovely partner go to nearly ever game for as long as I can remember- he bleeds red & blue.

So he is 10 x a better supporter than I will ever be. 

12 hours ago, Wiseblood said:

 

The last month shows how we need to be patient - a couple of bad losses and we had some supporters, who now look rather stupid, questioning everything as if the club was caving in.  Now look at us.  Just goes to show that we don't need to be negative about every decision made and be able to see the long term view, not just the short term.

Yeah but some people have been saying that for the last 4 years - it’s the same small group in nearly every thread - same tactics - just they attack another poster. 

I don’t think they will ever learn. Saty, is one of the most loyal passionate MFC supporters you would ever meet - he is 10 times a better supporter than me and may I add the “trolls” attacking him. 

3 hours ago, Lucifer's Hero said:

1) Not in the eyes of the AFL and Ch7:  membership/supporter numbers are the basis of their fixtures (despite their protestations to the contrary) for FTA premium time slots - Count the Thur, Fri and Sat night FTA slots for Ess, Coll, Rich, Carlt, Hawks even in their non-performing years.  Simply, Ch 7 want numbers to sell adv time to their sponsors. 

Also, check out the venues those clubs play at - you rarely see them at low capacity grounds like Kardinia Park or Docklands when they play each other.  They play at our home ground while we have to sell games interstate or play at Docklands. 

2) Not in the eyes of sponsors:  club sponsors want numbers to market their products to.   The more the merrier.  The profitability of the members is of little interest to them.  We make a lot more more money from sponsors than members so they are critical to our financial well being.  Again, look at the sponsorship revenue for the aforementioned clubs.  It is big because they have a lot of members!

3) Not in the eyes of clubs: once they have you as a member, even as an Armchair, or 3 gamer they can work to make you a full member and get your family on board.  (Without those membership options we may not have any country or interstate members).  Also, members buy merchandise, adding revenue to the club and revenue and advertising to our sponsors- anyone buy New Balance gear recently?

4) The more members we have the more people at games and so gate revenue goes up.

Looking at 'Net Profit' is a very limited view, especially as club costs are 'fixed' - effectively, any additional member is almost 100% profit (after allowing for making up and mailing membership packs).

The club would be ecstatic to break last years record so early and grow our membership by over 30% in 4 years.  We fans should share that excitement.  So, I don't see the point of introducing 'Net Profit' to this thread.  imv it simply isn't relevant to the thread nor to the value of increased membership numbers.  Enjoy the ride on and off the field!

Yeah interesting reply - thanks for taking the time. 

18 hours ago, Gorgoroth said:

A lot of these will be the three game memberships that give reseeved seat on QB. 

Be interesting to see the conversion numbers over to full membership next year.

Thats the glaring problem when you just focus on pure numbers. The only meaningful number from memberships should be - Net Profit. 

What I've always wondered is ... How profitable are Armchair Memberships, 3 game MFC members and MCC Demons allocated members. 

4 hours ago, Diamond_Jim said:

The Richmond President mentioned on radio yesterday (3AW) that on some studies it may well be 2032 before the expansion clubs turn a profit. She went on to say that this was significantly later than had first been projected.

Queensland is a very difficult market. The Bears/Lions have been there for 30 years.. won three premierships and are still showing a loss. Attendance yesterday 18,000.

 

I agree with Peggy expansion clubs are a long term project but essential component of a National competition to secure TV rights deal that benefit all clubs

On 5/26/2018 at 1:04 PM, hemingway said:

We have no reason to complain about other clubs getting a helping hand.

Without AFL assistance we may not even be around. 

Without AFL MFC was gawnnnnnnn - shut the doors last to leave the building to switch the lights off forever. 

1 hour ago, McQueen said:

So that’s the catch 22 though isn’t it. It’s essentially a queuing system that when the teams thereabouts you need to pay for the opportunity before others do.

Each club only has so many tickets allocated - you better get in before those evil corporate customers, they will pay the price in an instant. 

But wait a second those “evil” corporates pay year in year out irrespective of what teams are in the grand final. You could make more money on your corporates than your whole membership put together- shame on you AFL clubs ?

2 hours ago, Petraccattack said:

 

I dont think we have lost a quarter since you made this thread.   ?

CB for Prime Minister!

Shame CB did not have the ability to sell himself optimism - but such is life. 

4 minutes ago, mordja said:

Inside mids - Jones (2-3 seasons left), Tyson (meh but gets the ball), Viney, Oliver, Petracca (coming), Brayshaw, ANB (more HFF, no silk)

Classy outside mids - Stretch (far from proven), Hunt (more HBF), Salem (maybe).....

I'm on board with Gaff as far fetched as I think it is.  

Let Wines go. We took Toumpas, like we took Tyson.  

Fair enough - However, in todays game coaches love players that can win their own football - winning the contested ball is everything. 

Funny enough I reckon our position will be strengthened or weakened depending on what we decide to do with Lewis & Vince. 

Fun times ahead.  

1 hour ago, FarNorthernD said:

He is talking about the points system given to each draft number. Our first round pick last year (pick 10) plus our first round pick this year (say pick 11) minus the second rounder they give back to us = pick five.

PS. I may have missed another piece 

PPS. I’m just happy they reckon we will have some salary cap space left!

Or exactly what I said we would pay before the trade went thru ( I even made a bet on this site ) and exactly what Peter Jackson confirmed after the trade went thru.

Adelaide opted for the 2 x first rounders due to the fact this years draft in full of talented SA kids - so no go home factor - and we were more than happy to oblige. Lever was a bargain due to the Crows internal player payment structure - but that payment structure has worked well for them in the past just in this instance we took advantage of it.  

Wines needs to be our priority this year, followed by Gaff as a free agent. I think we will easily have the cap room - Port wont have, but Ollie is very loyal. Gaff think the salary would be similar on either side of the country - just a matter of does he want to come home. 

15 hours ago, Diamond_Jim said:

Just got an email from MFC about finals ticket packages.

I see they start at $1300.

Anybody got some more details on the prices and packages

Might be interested if we win the next three

The longer you wait the more likely they will all be sold out - every club has only a limited allocation. 

Ball is in your court - if you miss out you can really only blame yourself. But, I’m sure some will blame the club or the AFL such is life. 

2 hours ago, Go the Biff said:

Bollocks. He is out of contract, not a free agent. Port would demand the world for him.

Port can only demand the equivalent compensation to what they are paying him - last year we got Lever for equivalent to pick 5. Wines is probably not quite to the value of pick 5 but it would be close - so easily doable if he nominated the Demons. 

Dont “lock it in yet Eddy” but Port have taken a huge gamble and it’s not paying off yet. 

10 hours ago, Go the Biff said:

I've switched sides on Gaff. Didn't want him. However he's playing a lot more inside this season & goes when it's his turn while still providing run & carry. He's not particularly quick but he provides relentless running and makes good decisions with the footy. We need to add this. I'd love Isaac Smith or Jack Macrae but they're not obtainable. Gaff might be.

Don’t disagree Gaff has to be a target. 

But our number 1 target needs to be Ollie Wines - Port have bet the farm and at this stage things are not going well. 

45 minutes ago, Clint Bizkit said:

Most likely.

Still, a lot of those issues haven't gone away from a half of football.

Consider this, what are the things they did right. 

Write a list if you have to - only write positive things on the list. 

Then how many things on the list can you personally change?  

Then start working on those ie buy another membership, donate $10, start a thread talking about what you liked about Charle Spargo etc

2 minutes ago, monoccular said:

 

Far better to be an optimist who is sometimes wrong than a pessimist who is always right !

Yes, for sure but you have to realise you can’t always be right, you can’t always win, not everybody will like you, you will make mistakes. 

But when you are positive you will see opportunities others can’t - just do the best you can and again do more of what you do well. 

Our players are very committed and are learning and improving every game. Now all we need to do is support them and give them the resources they need to rise and repeat more consistently. 

As an optimist you will live longer, earn more money and builder longer and happier relationships. 

Football is only a game your life won’t change if we win or lose - don’t worry about all issues out of your control.

Football is not life or death. Are you still breathing- then it’s a good day.

Focus on today, focus on your strengths and do more of them every day. But have balance recognise you will win some - you will lose some. 

Ignore social media , ignore negative people - they will try to bring you down because of their problems in life. 

Go Demons

30 minutes ago, jnrmac said:

This is overated. The Kennel was a mess: lost their coach, captain, CEO and a few others in a short space of time. No one wanted to be there.

Beveridge turned it around very quickly but the reality is they made the finals and had a fantastic September. Have been ordinary since then.

This talk of 'McCartney being the genius behind the dog's flag' is rubbish. Yes he takes credit for developing some of their junior players but he was not liked down there and couldn't get them winning regularly.

The raps on him at Melbourne have been good but maybe there is some friction there with Goody seeing him interfering beyond his role. Or maybe things were simply working better when McC was on the bench. Who knows?

But what I do know is I hate seeing our name in the press for this stuff. It reeks of disharmony and when added to the pre-season camp stuff, that should NEVER have gone outside and should have been handled in-house, it worries me that things aren't rosy. Then when you see clear disfunction on the field it starts to smell more.... 

Hahaha - classic internet paranoia / conspiracy theory - Made me chuckle here are more for you 

https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2017/oct/27/jk-rowling-doesnt-exist-conspiracy-theories-internet-cant-resist

44 minutes ago, Satyriconhome said:

Yes I remember the occasion well, having to separate 2 grown men doing handbags at 20 paces??

Yeah think he was angry at the club the AFL and many other volunteers / club employees and he took his frustrations out on me - anyway I’m over it moved on and wish him well. I’m rapt the club is building a positive culture, growing our membership growing our crowds and building a strong business. I’m a huge supporter of PJ and thank the AFL for their assistance in helping us find key personnel when we needed them. 

6 minutes ago, Goffer said:

You’re having a laugh right? The MFC Coterie supporters club fulfills exactly the same ‘business niche’ you suggest and has been in existence for 75 + years. If you and your business minded friends were such diehard MFC supporters why not join that group instead of going to the Tigers?

I do go to our functions and I really enjoy them - 

21 minutes ago, Cards13 said:

So you do it for free for Richmond Football Club???

Nah I just go to the functions - great fun, you get to watch the footy or play some other sport. Golf, cricket etc

The players love it - they recognise they are only an injury away from ending their footy career and potential starting a business career - often when they are injured they hang around of their own free choice, as do the coaches etc etc 

It’s just another way to enjoy the footy. No big deal. 

21 minutes ago, Gorgoroth said:

Tried? The MFC wasnt interested?

Think the club was interested - But the key principle is it’s a business group - it does the work ie golf days, winery tours, day at the races, interstate trips to support away games and the target profit margin is 100k per event. 

Not every supporter is business minded so may have not recognised the opportunity - so we moved on elsewhere - no big deal. 

2 hours ago, Cards13 said:

Aren’t you a Tigers member? 

It’s a business group ( that actively assist in raising money ) we tried to do the same at the MFC - because the Tiger group raises $1.5 million + approximate per year and there is less than 100 of them. 

The benefits of a group like this are endless - great way to keep players that other clubs target, very social, always easy to tap them on the shoulder for funds for medium size quickly implemented projects.  

But such is life

1 hour ago, old dee said:

Yes as I suspected a bit rich for me Males, sadly not all of us can afford that much. 

The demographics of our membership would suggest you are not alone - it’s a shame we did not have a process in place to assist our long-term members with some sort of upgrade for staying loyal for so long. This is where the business community could help. 

22 hours ago, Diamond_Jim said:

Richmond today announced 90,000 members

Together with the reserved seat revenue they must be swimming in cash

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2018-04-12/tigers-smash-alltime-membership-record

Memberships should also be calculated on profit made - think the Tigers would also do well  on that figure. We could learn a lot from Tigers when it comes to revenue raising thru memberships.