DaveyDee

37 minutes ago, Wiseblood said:

That's great.  Some would agree, others would call him a troll.  I fall in the latter.

And him 'bleeding red & blue' might make him a better supporter than you, but it doesn't make him better than the rest.

Yeah I don’t see it that way - I think all he ever does is try and share his love for the club. 

Now, Saty and his partner have not always seen eye to eye with me either - but I think I was more at fault there. I’ve learnt more from meeting him than he knows. 

But each to their own 

8 minutes ago, Wiseblood said:

No one is a better supporter than anyone else.  We all contribute in our own ways, whether that be through attendance, membership, posting here or wearing your gear into work on a Monday win, lose or draw.  While I don't agree with some posters on here, that doesn't mean I would consider them any less of a supporter than me or anyone else.

Ok fair enough well said, but I’m not walking away from saying Saty is one of the most loyal, passionate Demons supporters you will ever meet. He and his lovely partner go to nearly ever game for as long as I can remember- he bleeds red & blue.

So he is 10 x a better supporter than I will ever be. 

12 hours ago, Wiseblood said:

 

The last month shows how we need to be patient - a couple of bad losses and we had some supporters, who now look rather stupid, questioning everything as if the club was caving in.  Now look at us.  Just goes to show that we don't need to be negative about every decision made and be able to see the long term view, not just the short term.

Yeah but some people have been saying that for the last 4 years - it’s the same small group in nearly every thread - same tactics - just they attack another poster. 

I don’t think they will ever learn. Saty, is one of the most loyal passionate MFC supporters you would ever meet - he is 10 times a better supporter than me and may I add the “trolls” attacking him. 

4 minutes ago, mordja said:

Inside mids - Jones (2-3 seasons left), Tyson (meh but gets the ball), Viney, Oliver, Petracca (coming), Brayshaw, ANB (more HFF, no silk)

Classy outside mids - Stretch (far from proven), Hunt (more HBF), Salem (maybe).....

I'm on board with Gaff as far fetched as I think it is.  

Let Wines go. We took Toumpas, like we took Tyson.  

Fair enough - However, in todays game coaches love players that can win their own football - winning the contested ball is everything. 

Funny enough I reckon our position will be strengthened or weakened depending on what we decide to do with Lewis & Vince. 

Fun times ahead.  

1 hour ago, FarNorthernD said:

He is talking about the points system given to each draft number. Our first round pick last year (pick 10) plus our first round pick this year (say pick 11) minus the second rounder they give back to us = pick five.

PS. I may have missed another piece 

PPS. I’m just happy they reckon we will have some salary cap space left!

Or exactly what I said we would pay before the trade went thru ( I even made a bet on this site ) and exactly what Peter Jackson confirmed after the trade went thru.

Adelaide opted for the 2 x first rounders due to the fact this years draft in full of talented SA kids - so no go home factor - and we were more than happy to oblige. Lever was a bargain due to the Crows internal player payment structure - but that payment structure has worked well for them in the past just in this instance we took advantage of it.  

Wines needs to be our priority this year, followed by Gaff as a free agent. I think we will easily have the cap room - Port wont have, but Ollie is very loyal. Gaff think the salary would be similar on either side of the country - just a matter of does he want to come home. 

2 hours ago, Go the Biff said:

Bollocks. He is out of contract, not a free agent. Port would demand the world for him.

Port can only demand the equivalent compensation to what they are paying him - last year we got Lever for equivalent to pick 5. Wines is probably not quite to the value of pick 5 but it would be close - so easily doable if he nominated the Demons. 

Dont “lock it in yet Eddy” but Port have taken a huge gamble and it’s not paying off yet. 

10 hours ago, Go the Biff said:

I've switched sides on Gaff. Didn't want him. However he's playing a lot more inside this season & goes when it's his turn while still providing run & carry. He's not particularly quick but he provides relentless running and makes good decisions with the footy. We need to add this. I'd love Isaac Smith or Jack Macrae but they're not obtainable. Gaff might be.

Don’t disagree Gaff has to be a target. 

But our number 1 target needs to be Ollie Wines - Port have bet the farm and at this stage things are not going well. 

30 minutes ago, jnrmac said:

This is overated. The Kennel was a mess: lost their coach, captain, CEO and a few others in a short space of time. No one wanted to be there.

Beveridge turned it around very quickly but the reality is they made the finals and had a fantastic September. Have been ordinary since then.

This talk of 'McCartney being the genius behind the dog's flag' is rubbish. Yes he takes credit for developing some of their junior players but he was not liked down there and couldn't get them winning regularly.

The raps on him at Melbourne have been good but maybe there is some friction there with Goody seeing him interfering beyond his role. Or maybe things were simply working better when McC was on the bench. Who knows?

But what I do know is I hate seeing our name in the press for this stuff. It reeks of disharmony and when added to the pre-season camp stuff, that should NEVER have gone outside and should have been handled in-house, it worries me that things aren't rosy. Then when you see clear disfunction on the field it starts to smell more.... 

Hahaha - classic internet paranoia / conspiracy theory - Made me chuckle here are more for you 

https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2017/oct/27/jk-rowling-doesnt-exist-conspiracy-theories-internet-cant-resist

19 minutes ago, Moonshadow said:

Slight sidetrack, but conveniently Hawthorn's profit last year was close to the same amount in profit they made from pokies. Take that away and they are trading very poorly (albeit with substantial assets)

Traditionally AFL football clubs have not been good in the business of making money. 

3 hours ago, Wells 11 said:

 in order to make its point on behalf of the gambling money that had come into game?

This does raise the obvious question - 

How do you replace the gambling revenues coming into the game?

Think there is another thread on the site discussing that very question - so maybe a question you don’t have to answer here.  

If, you can’t anwer that question you have to deal with the situation as it is. Personally, I don’t mind either way - I’m happy to deal with the situation as it is until a better ulternative is put forward. 

Go Dees

2 hours ago, Wells 11 said:

part of me wishing the dees had had the money and/or 

Think many people these days are working hard to ensure we do have the money to fix our own issues.

Ultimately, football is just a game in the business of sports entertainment. As much as that may upset people you can’t change what is out of your control. 

8 hours ago, Wadda We Sing said:

...Winx was just breathtaking.

She was amazing these days I just sit and watch her without one cent on her - as they say the more you bet the more you win. 

Im looking forward to watching her career in the breeding barns - if she ever gets there!!!!

37 minutes ago, Clintosaurus said:

Did laugh last night at a greyhound named Snap One Off running somewhere last night.

 - yeah there are some funny names. I like the horse called - Near Queue which is a bit of a play on Far Queue ... that always makes me chuckle

1 hour ago, Wadda We Sing said:

It was just a one of bet off the top of my head, after noting Maccas post, and the standout horse had won 6 out of 7 starts at a track in Sha Tin so i threw him in for first. Its not how i bet over the long term, but cheers for the input DD.

Cheers Didn't see Maccas input. All the best hope you make a tidy profit, tough game and it is not an easy business. 

On 2/18/2018 at 7:42 PM, Wadda We Sing said:

....Im on the 1 one out and the 2,6 to come second, field for 3rd. 

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If you are backing all combinations at level stakes you will find it hard/impossible over the long-term to turn a profit. 

Now I'm assuming 2 & 6 were not the same price and your selection for 3rd "the field" all cant be the same price.

I'm confident we will get a deal done if Ollie elects to leave SA - but with a huge emphasis on the if.  

1 hour ago, binman said:

My mate who i bet with is a huge Don Scott fan. Framing the market properly is critical no doubt and perhaps equally important is staking (which of course is related).

Don Scotts ratings are a tad outdated for obvious reasons. However, his principles hold true. 

We smashed the bookies, over 3 sports, over a 5-6 year period. We had professional analysis's in each sport & a database/price computer team.  So much so we ended up working/partnership with certain companies in their price assessments we even happily took part of the exposure.   

So you are up against the professionals - You need to work your butts off or over the long run you will just be "another mug punter". 

On 2/12/2018 at 6:24 PM, Wadda We Sing said:

That's a good strike rate Macca isn't it. We better be careful or the media scouts will be onto us. Even Dr.Turf would be impressed with that. I'm sure though 1 or 2 meetings will bring the inevitable correction. Until then though keep up the hard study and good work guys, its paid off so far.

You guys need to get yourself a copy of the best book ever written on horse racing - Winning More by the legendary Legal Eagle - Don Scott ( not Don Scott of footy fame ) 

He will help with your multiple betting options and even more importantly how to frame a market to maximise returns. 

I've sold my business in this sector.  But if I was ever looking to get back into this sector I would look at Tennis Betting. 

11 minutes ago, markc said:

 

this is the problem , when Like Crows they low balled some players 

time will tell but Wines has to be worth as much if not more than most you have mentioned 

he will get way more if he returns to Vic ... time will tell

 

The beautiful thing is I doubt it is going to be about returning to Victoria or the money. 

3 minutes ago, TeamPlayedFine39 said:

Paddy Ryder was reported to have crossed over for 700K

Rockliff over 650K per season

Dixon over 620K per season

Motlop is over 500K per season

That's not exactly poo-change.  But I'm not saying they have mis-managed their cap, I'm saying it is possible that they have.  If they've been sensible with their contracts (like Geelong/Hawthorn) then they won't have a problem re-signing Wines.  If they've got carried away, which offering huge contracts to Hamish Hartlett and Matthew Lobbe suggests they may be inclined to do, then they could find it difficult to meet Wines' realistic demands.

Time will tell...

 

Well said plus they have Boak, Polec, Gray & Westoff up - they have bet the farm. Good luck to them - they might need it. 

2 hours ago, TeamPlayedFine39 said:

Yes... but free agents, particularly ones from interstate, always come at a premium.  Like I said, it depends on whether or not they paid 'overs' when they brought these experienced players in.  If they have managed their cap sensibly, then they have nothing to worry about.  If they 'pulled an Adelaide' and spent a fortune on retaining a player like Jenkins, then they might be in a bit of trouble.

You have to ignore Chazz he has no idea what he is talking about.

Both Rockliff & Motlop netted 1st Round compensation picks to their original clubs so you are right they did come at a premium in salary cap space. Watts we moved on to help clean up space in 2019 cap - there are a few very interesting options on the table at the end of this year.

Could be a very interesting time ahead in the player movement space for a relatively young and up & coming list - our timing could well be impeccable for once. 

Much will depend on Ports on-field performance ie How deep, deep they go into September

40 minutes ago, GCDee said:

Glad we cleared Watts off the books.

We had a fair crack at Ollie last time he was out of contract. Think he knows we are interested. Kid can win his own football and thats the key criteria you need in todays game.  

This time its also a little different, Port have bet the farm on Watts, Motlop & Rockliff, we are an up & coming force. Plus last time when in negotiations I got the feeling - Ollie is not all about the $$$$. 

Port this time also have Boak, Polec, Westoff plus a few more big names up for debate. Much will come down to their on-field performance. Interesting times ahead - Can Port retain them all with a poor on-field performance. 

I have this feeling we hope he is going to be Levers partner in crime for around 8 year. 

I love his name - would look good on the team sheet. Thats good enough for me to get my support.

But I defer to the better judges on his football talent. 

1 minute ago, Fifty-5 said:

Don't back pedal now.  You've consistently maintained that we should be and are in the market for trading Stringer in to MFC.

Not sure I went that far - I've always wished the boy well, refused to listen to the internet rumours just like Essendon & Geelong have, thought it was going to be very difficult to land him. However, we are up to our eye balls in this trade because its very important to us.