deelete my account

7 minutes ago, Nasher said:

Exactly my thoughts too.  Interesting times.  I love trade week(s).

Would be nice to see a frontline/utopia style comedy based on trade week(s)

The next 12 months including the next trade week, will be the judge of whether anything culture destroying has taken place at Hawthorn. Not any interviews and speculation.

27 minutes ago, olisik said:

We should throw money at Cyril just to stir the pot even more

He's a mega-deal marquee player you offer a $4mil/5 year deal to, or more (5/5) One of the best players in the league. As he's 27, it's a brave move to make. Don't die wondering. Signed until 2019 though so it would be costly. Like most here, i have faith in the list and whatever additions we make, but i can't help but think that a 'mega deal' for whichever a grade player, will be the tipping point. Could be wrong

Anyway, you don't stir the pot unless you actually mean it with an offer. Otherwise you just look like a deceitful club.

1 minute ago, Abe said:

Who cares, they're both guns, both in our next flag side

Sure, but his season in 2015 is not a long memory. People still need to see this year backed up again before calling him consistent and untouchable.

7 minutes ago, Deestroy All said:

Viney has won a Bluey already and missed out on another one by 1 point. At 22. That's 2 pretty consistent seasons if you ask me. 

Tyson takes half a season to find form. 

They're two completely different players though. One extracts with a classy poise, another rams through the opposition full throttle. They compliment each other well. Tyson almost redeemed his 2014 year this year but would need another superb year to solidify his place in the team long long term. Let's face it though, Viney has the tough game style and name that will never ever see him going anywhere.

10 minutes ago, waynewussell said:

What's Jordan L got that Jimmy B doesn't have (apart from the occasional P)?

JL hasn't even reached the 'resting backman' stage yet. I would think that JL has two to three years max and 2 of those in the midfield, as opposed to JB's 1 year total anywhere. 

It would be nice to add a player that has been involved in a premiership success era, however you cut it. Be it 1 year and then coaching or more. Essendon are even adding James Kelly for an extra year and most people thought he was cooked. Shows that he has brought something beneficial to the club on and off the field.

1 minute ago, TRIGON said:

Destination club, oh yeah???

I knew it. In that win, he was throwing punches in frustration while we destroyed them in that last quarter. Can't beat em, join em!

2 minutes ago, DV8 said:

Winning Finals/Premierships experience, & he has that  "attitude",  that makes teammates stand up.

it is what we as a club lack from our past to present... that atti-tude to take it on, & win... that inner fire that keeps getting quenched at Mfc.    young Jack V has brought some from his time at Hawthorne land.

keep those fires burning.

We've also needed another thug assassin ever since Marcus Seecamp retired

29 minutes ago, pineapple dee said:

Let's not suggest getting rid of Tyson. He is every bit as important to our structure and our future as is Brayshaw or Petracca. I also think he's a bit better than B+

Context is important: Topic was a mega deal for Isaac Heeney and Hogan, Viney, Gawn, Petracca and Oliver being off limits. Who does that leave?  Brayshaw, Salem & Tyson as potential 'players' needed to get a 'mega deal' done. Just my view, i'm not shopping Tyson around for fun.

5 minutes ago, stuie said:

Could the Hibberd delay be to do with us promising this year's 2nd rounder to Hawthorn for Lewis? (Which they may be planning on using as part of another deal)

 

Why would the Hawks trade out Mitchell & Lewis. I thought they made a call on Mitchell so that Lewis would be retained. He's 30, but he doesn't seem like he has any more than two years left, one excellent and one average year imo. 

10 minutes ago, Petraccattack said:

ANB and our 1st round pick next season should get it done

What would his pay check be though? I can see he's on 500k fantasy price. He has comparable stats to Rockliff, but if you consider he's 4 years younger he has a huge upside. I suppose Rockliff/Wines would command 600k+ each to be lured?

2016: http://www.footywire.com/afl/footy/ft_player_compare?playerStatus1=A&tid1=20&playerStatus2=A&tid2=14&type=A&pid1=3184&pid2=3801&fid1=

same age: 

http://www.footywire.com/afl/footy/ft_player_compare?playerStatus1=A&tid1=20&playerStatus2=A&tid2=14&type=A&pid1=3184&pid2=3801&fid1=O&fid2=O

1 minute ago, A F said:

Nah.

I'd want to keep him too. I'm just saying that he's lower in the pecking order with the names Bizkit mentioned, but still carries trade value.

6 minutes ago, Clint Bizkit said:

Who out of Petracca, Oliver, Viney or Hogan are you willing to trade to get him?

It might be that Dom Tyson is surplus to our needs in a year while others go past him, while still playing very consistent b+ footy. He will have worth with a pick to trade for an elite player.

11 minutes ago, Red and Blue Flame said:

Not to say your source is incorrect BBB, but I just cannot see how Rockliff would happen.

A bit like what i'm about to share: a usually reliable source (informed me of Goodwin before we got him) has told me that we are making a massive play for Tippett. He is exactly the player we need, but again i'm not sure how it would get done given few picks/valuable players to trade that aren't in best 22...not to mention having to take over his contract $$$.

Just thought i'd pass that on. 

Someone always bubbles up with a reliable source on a player mentioned in a demonland thread a few weeks earlier. Tom Mitchell will be a demon was last months 'reliable source' reference

Don't want to get personal, but you have 1160 posts and 75 upvotes? Are you a reliable source?

8 minutes ago, picket fence said:

These stas are widely misleading ! The Jeffy stats are taken from his Carltank days in 2014. Motlops from this year 2016.

Nup I"ll hang onto Jeffy, with his best still to come!!

However way you cut it, he's still an upgrade. Compare 2015, Garletts best year to Motlops then: 

http://www.footywire.com/afl/footy/ft_player_compare?playerStatus1=A&tid1=12&playerStatus2=A&tid2=10&type=A&pid1=3189&pid2=3145&fid1=P&fopt1=2015&fid2=P&fopt2=2015

He has 1/3 more fantasy points per game.

You then take the following year and Motlop kicks 38 - Garletts 29 goals and is on the market. It's a steal.

7 minutes ago, picket fence said:

You are kidding, Motlop is the biggest front runner in the AFL!!  Bigger even than Bruest and Mayne!

Would not even consider him for a set of plastic knives and forks, no name brand burgers and recycled toilet paper towels!

Next!

This has become the newest meme in the AFL: how bad Motlop is due to some especially poor efforts in the last month. It's confirmation bias

Take a look at his stats. Admittedly in the midfield, but still. 80 fantasy points per game is nothing to be sneazed at.

http://www.footywire.com/afl/footy/ft_player_compare?playerStatus1=A&tid1=12&playerStatus2=A&tid2=10&type=A&pid1=3189&pid2=3145&fid1=A&fopt1=28&fid2=A&fopt2=26

1 minute ago, Tough Kent said:

You build your forward line around your key forwards. Jeffy is still our #1 small forward. 29 goals from 17 games in a year he'd rather forget is not awful. I'd be backing him to bounce back strongly next year.

I'm not disputing that Jeffy has worth. But Motlop however you put it, is an upgrade on Garlett and he's on the market.

4 minutes ago, Tough Kent said:

I reckon the fact that he has just recently signed a three year extension suggests that Jeffy is weighing heavily in the club's plans going forward.

I meant Demonlanders. A lot of people lost confidence in him this year and when the forward line is spoken about on the forum, it's usually only Hogan/Watts/Wiedeman mentioned re long term with Kent and Petracca as the other untradeables flanks/pockets. Extension or not, if we want Motlop we have to give something. No Steak knives :/

I'd trade Garlett for Motlop + Pick swap. Our 3rd for their 4th I suppose.

Garlett doesn't seem to be weighing heavily in anyones major plans going forward and he has a reasonable amount of worth.

They'd probably want Kent though.

Well I guess it's a third or fourth rounder and a starting 22 player, or a 2nd round pick then.... 

What's the deal with Viv Michie? Can we use him in a trade for Motlop, or is VM just biding his time until he's delisted in a year or two and in that case, why is he still on our list? Michie or ANB and a pick could get it done? 

2 minutes ago, Grimes Times said:

Mitchell has been pushed dont you worry about that. The fact hes happy to go or not is a separate matter.

Clarkson is ruthless, Its his job to win.

He's probably professional and intelligent enough to realise it's a waste of energy to be unhappy about it. Move on and get busy planning to play at a high level at another club. 

12 minutes ago, Abe said:

He's a bloody good player when fully fit, my concern is that the Hawks need to re-build their midfield and giving up one of the only good mids of the right age profile they have seems like it would be a bad result, especially given risks and so on. 

if they could get the deal done with another player i reckon they should jump at it.

I don't understand why they rate Bruest so highly within the context of their whole list. How many small forwards does a club need?

9 minutes ago, Moneider96 said:

Wait, did someone say Jordan Lewis might be going to Melbourne?! My mind can't even comprehend that. 

I recall him losing his [censored] in the game against us at the G, he lost his composure when we were running away with it. Wouldn't surprise me if he saw something in our game style that inspired him to think that he could have a leadership impact and get a bit of $$$ playing for us in leading us into a some finals campaigns. Maybe that's how the rumour started... I don't recall any other player getting as [censored] off as him in that encounter.

Are we not in a similar position to Collingwood with the calls for "More experienced players" a month ago? Granted they've pressed ahead on maximum speed with the experienced player offer. But surely they and us both agree that to make the finals next year will have untold experiential benefits that far exceed the negatives of short-term salary cap offers for 2-3 years maximum aged players. 

Personally I think Bucks is making the right move in trading in Wells & Mayne in order to push their club temporarily over the 8/10 line, get their players some finals experience and hope that snowballs into some success further down the line. I would at least like to see one experienced player join the Dees.