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It’s the announcement of our (retro) Gather Round jumper, I think.

3 hours ago, jnrmac said:

Against Freo after quarter time it was 10 goals to 9 goals

Just need to stop the blow out starts as its clear we can run out games

King’s said the last two days that he views the two poor starts vs Freo and Carlton differently. Against Freo he said it was their intensity/skill which overwhelmed us, but against Carlton he said it was just our own mistakes. I tend to agree, but either way, we have work to do. Gold Coast won’t let us bring a 43 point lead back (most sides not called Carlton won’t).

40 minutes ago, Dannyz said:

Salem’s defensive hardness has never been his one- wood. It’s just a little more exposed for the lack of small backs that we have currently.

His field kicking, kick ins, defensive positioning and transition work outweigh the odd poor defensive effort.

I’ve had the occasional run in with @DubDee over this.

The balance is the other way around IMO, in that I reckon his kicking/etc isn’t making up for the poor defensive/contest stuff. Personally I think his kicking is overrated but even if not, I don’t think we can carry a (relatively) slow back half player who can’t/won’t defend or win a contest.

I know many disagree and that’s fine - it’s not like we have a plethora of options to replace him and his experience. But with Rivers out of the side and AMW fit again, I’d have Salem’s spot under serious watch.

If the story is true, and I suspect it probably is, that tells you everything you need to know about why we punted him.

Couldn't get his [censored] together to show up for Gawn's 250th, after everything Gawn did for him over the last 3 years.

We'd be rooted without him.

He and Gawn were holding us together in the middle early yesterday, until we got going later.

Sticks his tackles (would have been a focus for everyone after the poor tackling efforts vs Fremantle, but he nails that brief week in, week out). Doesn't shirk. Runs both ways.

I expect a loss but the more I think about the timing of the match up, the more I start feeling weirdly optimistic.

No Petracca, no Humphrey, (probably) no Rowell, at the G, they're off a bye, we're off a confidence-boosting win, when we're on we're on, we weren't even that bad for 2.5 quarters vs Fremantle...

Nah, still a respectable but comfortable loss coming up.

Surely...

8 minutes ago, dazzledavey36 said:

There were a heap of ex players there on the day including Hunt who was in the rooms.

Go look at his instagram story. Funny stuff..

They were all on the ground pre-game for a photo with Gawn and TMac and were there when they ran through the banner.

I saw Spargo and Weideman outside the ground and spotted Howe and Harmes on the ground, but haven’t yet seen a photo of all of them together. Seemed a fair few though.

29 minutes ago, Lucifers Hero said:

Hewitt raised the ball to shoulder height with both hands. Even tho it was a split second that action made it 'prior opportunity' as he could have hand balled unimpeded while raising the ball as the tackle was about hip height.

Evans did a fend off type action first which is prior then ducked into the tackle.

That’s a good defence of the Hewett free kick but IMO in real time, no benefit of replays or slow mo, that just wasn’t holding the ball.

The Evans one I think was line ball so IMO wasn’t egregious at all, but the Hewett one was a mistake and I’d have been livid if that had been against us, at that stage of the game.

We're not dropping Petty, not against Gold Coast and not, at the absolute least, until Turner's fit again.

May well just be finding a replacement for CJ - could be Rivers, but not sure what he learns about himself without a run at Casey. Could be AMW, but he may need another week at Casey.

I feel we're a touch too short and Gold Coast may exploit that. Not sure if we're going to change the forward line dynamic to get Heath in (or, later on, Kentfield) nor how we'd do it (might be Cross who makes way).

6 - Steele
5 - Kozzie
4 - Gawn
3 - Lever
2 - Sparrow
1 - Fritsch

That's the second time in three weeks I've had such fun at the footy, although this time obviously only for half the game.

It might be 3 years since we've had fun at the footy this much across a three game period. That of itself is noteworthy.

We must gain so much confidence and belief from holding firm to how we wanted to play despite the abysmal start. King said it in his presser though, unlike last week where Fremantle smacked us across the park, the start this week was more about how awful we were. When we are bad, we are terrible - fumbly, over-running the ball, kicks missing targets. Kozzie was emblematic of it.

But the way we worked through that and turned the game on its head was remarkable.

Felt to me like we ditched the tag and stopped running Tholstrup in CBAs in the second half, which helped us match them. Not sure if causation or correlation but our ball movement also felt better after Jiath went off.

Koz's second half was stupidly good, but Steele's first half was so important when most of the 23 were down. Sparrow's game was a stand-out too. Not sure how related it is to Rivers coming out of the middle but if that was part of it, then Riv's got a bit of work to do as that level from Sparrow makes us such a better side.

Major improvement IMO from Langford, Culley and (a bit less so) Lindsay. I'm really hoping that they are just starting to find themselves in this side and are gelling with each other, as seeing Langford get into the game and on the scoreboard is critical to balancing our midfield.

Loved the MFC supporter energy in the crowd. Probably outnumbered by Carlton fans 2-1 but the noise when we got going was pulsating (at least on the members' side of the ground it was).

Expecting another come-down next week vs Gold Coast but, like Round 1 into Round 2, I'm OK with that. We are building belief in a brand of football that stacks up. It won't work every week, and against the best sides we just won't be good enough for long enough, but we're 12 quarters in now and 8-9 of them have been pretty good.

I personally haven’t been overly concerned with Rivers so far this year, despite acknowledging he has a fair amount of room for improvement.

I’m not quite sure dropping a core player, these days a leader, after two games into a new era at the club is the right move, but then again many spent the last 9 years complaining about Goodwin never dropping players so this approach is a new to us!

Rivers dropped!

Well done @Bring-Back-Powell

1 hour ago, Bring-Back-Powell said:

He’s probably on notice this weekend.

I don’t think King would’ve been too impressed with him dropping a handball pass from Steele that resulted in a costly turnover on the wing.

You’re probably right, but I highly doubt he is getting dropped off one mistake (or 2, or 3). King spent all summer talking about how our players need to stop being afraid of making mistakes as we learn how to adapt to the new style/coaching.

If anyone gets dropped I suspect it will be for structural or more basic/fundamental reasons (effort, intensity, etc).

10 hours ago, DubDee said:

Always keen to jump on Salem when he has a bad game hey? You know he was 5th in our BnF last year

Calling a 200 game player soft after putting his body on the line for 12 years and winning us a flag, is pathetic

I wish more of our players displayed his composure, skill and loyalty

I’m with @dazzledavey36 , at least a bit.

Salem frustrates me. Yes, he has skill and loyalty, but to me he dines out on those attributes whilst putting teammates under pressure with nothing/dinky kicks and then, as on the weekend, not going when it’s his turn.

The clips Riewoldt mentioned are in this video from the 34.43 minute mark: https://youtu.be/iQ-FM--mTLQ?si=bVT2FXNfmnG5n5t8

IMO it’s absolutely fair to call out Salem, a leader, for this stuff. In addition to the poor showing in the clips, on the weekend he had 7 pressure acts (5th worst for us, excluding Disco who already had 6 before his injury) and 0 tackles.

I reckon this happens often with him and then posters like you will say “but he’s a classy kick” or “look at his B&F finishes”.

22 minutes ago, Ghostwriter said:

Training hasn’t started yet but I’ve already got an update on Disco!

Disco has a broken hand. He had surgery yesterday morning and is expected to be back in Round 4.

This is from our head physio. I just ran into him at the cafe under AAMI.

Round 4 is next week? So he might just miss the one week?

Would be a pretty good result if so.

21 minutes ago, rpfc said:

Sparrow is a King favourite.

AMW is there to stop people from kicking goals, not get a ‘dope 30’…

Culley is playing a role, also for that matter is the energetic kid in 33 who is in the team for what he does without the ball.

Let’s go beat Carlton, yeah?

Yeah but he only had 8 pressure acts, 7th lowest in our side. 0 tackles, 0 score involvements. Not much defence, not much offence.

He also looks 2-4 steps off the pace.

Yes, he brings excitement, but it's also pretty apparent that the step up from the level he was playing at last year to AFL level is significant for him, and having had a taste, it might be best to get him back to Casey and get him finding some confidence on either offence or defence before he's back.

TMac for Turner.

I’d consider Heath, but not necessarily this week vs Carlton.

I’d prefer Lindsay up the ground more and AMW coming in may help with that. Latrelle is fun but also not ready IMO for the pace of AFL level football, so I’d make that swap.

39 minutes ago, Gator said:

Are you suggesting that there shouldn't be any scrutiny or that young players are beyond being critiqued ?

Or that if you do critique them you must have an addendum at the end of said critique that references their age or lack of experience ? So, every time I assess their output I need to end my commentary with said addendum ?

No, but if your commentary reads like you don’t appreciate their experience/age nor any of the other context (Round 2, 6-day break, trip to Perth, hot weather, opposition is in flag contention with a far more talented and mature midfield), then be prepared for someone to disagree with you.

2 minutes ago, layzie said:

It's not unfair to suggest that Langford and Lindsay may not be as ready as we thought for week in week out football so I don't accept this criticism.

Of course most of us expected to lose convincingly today but it doesn't mean we can't critique where things went wrong and see what we need to learn. Freo were excellent but 80+ points from turnover suggests we have plenty of work to do and shouldn't just chalk these up as nothing to worry about.

I’m not for a second suggesting we have nothing to worry about.

We have heaps to worry about.

This game didn’t suddenly reveal them. They were clear going into 2026 and a side primed for a flag like Fremantle, with a stacked midfield, was always likely to expose that.

I maintain that it’s unreasonable to pile on those three kids. Langdord and Lindsay have barely, if at all, played 20 games whilst this was Windsor’s second game as a centre bounce mid. Again, we didn’t play just anyone, we played a side that is much, much, much better than us in the middle. It is not surprising we looked slow, timid and fumbly. That happens when you are under pressure (real and perceived) all game.

I want to see them improve but we need to see a lot more than two games, one off a six day break in Perth in the heat against a flag contender.

6 - Gawn

5 - Langdon

4 - Tholstrup

3 - Rivers

2 - Steele

1 - Chandler

This is only a reality check if you got ahead of yourself.

This was a totally unsurprising result. Honestly, winning two quarters after that nightmare start, and fighting back in the last, is to our credit.

Losing Turner ruined our defence, highlighting that we were too short for Fremantle at selection.

Ridiculous to see posters already piling on Langford, Lindsay and Windsor. In what world are they going to compete on a 6 day break, on a hot evening, against a midfield like Fremantle’s? Clearly work to do for them but FFS just bear in mind how much more experienced and talented the opposition were.

Tholstrup’s job on Serong was fantastic, Gawn is ridiculous (Darcy’s a fail of a ruckman though), Langdon played his best game in ages, Chandler fought it out and Rivers looked a lot better this week IMO.

We are going to be thrashed by a few sides this year. Next week should be a better showing.

I reckon we get belted but if we can maintain our style from last week and show continuity in our method, I’ll be ok with that. If we minimise the margin that will be a bonus.

16 minutes ago, Kent said:

Is Haydon Young playing? Saw something last night in doubt.

No he’s out. Huge help for us tbh. King said as much in his presser.

1 hour ago, Dr. Gonzo said:

MFC monogram for formal stuff, Demon logo for marketing, merchandise etc

It's not rocket science, kids go to Target or Kmart and see merch with Magpies, Hawks, Tigers and an MFC monogram. It's hardly appealing to a younger audience.

I dunno about that. I don’t think Carlton has any issues selling merch with the CFC monogram and without “Blues” meaning anything. Essendon’s logo is a plane and that doesn’t seem to stop them selling merch. Port’s logo is a monogram too.

In saying that, I do think we should be leaning into the demon heavily. Using the flamehead as a retro throwback once a year is IMO a perfect way to do that.