Demons2riseagain

On 22/10/2016 at 11:09 PM, Die Hard Demon said:

FUXING Etihad..... that ground is a FUXING hole. Way to douse the excitement leading into round 1. Just make sure you all buy your tickets online & print them off. Round 1 a few years back.. lined up a good 20min before the start of the match. Didn't get in till mid-way through the second. I wonder if the AFL will do a better job running it. But i doubt it. 

What... that's shocking!

get a membership!!

1 hour ago, Abe said:

Didn't realise i had posted as much as i have haha, apologies to anyone else who was frustrated by that, happy for the mods to put a limit on my posting or something if they feel that's needed. 

real shame that this one hasn't come through, Rocky would have been a great inclusion. 

No need for apologies. 

I think most understood it as wishful positivity !!

8 hours ago, Wiseblood said:

I'm with PD on this one.  No chance of Rocky at the Dees, and the rumours going around were nothing more than that.

Yeah agreed. What does he have to gain by a flat out refusal. If anything would look stupid backtracking if we did indeed have interest a few days later. 

6 minutes ago, stuie said:

Amazing that we have a better list than GWS and the best coaching group in the comp but only finished 11th... The "we're flying"/"training the house down" stuff has started a bit earlier than normal this year. Must be the Lewis factor...

 

Hahaha.. so true.

GWS probably a goal away from a flag...

Dees can't qualify for finals!!

i must say though, I think the few senior additions (if made) this trade period will make a huge difference to the club.

would be much more confident of cracking finals with a more balanced team.

It will be much harder to crack a game with the fringe players (m.jones, stretch, bugg, vanders etc) likely to see some serious VFL time

19 minutes ago, Wiseblood said:

Anyone else think this deal will get done today?

A lot of noise... so yeah 

34 minutes ago, Is Dom Is Good said:

It's amazing people are questioning where Lewis fits in our best 22.

He finished 2nd in the B n F of a side who finished the regular season in 3rd spot and missed a prelim final by a kick. He's played in 5 grand finals and won 4 of them, while also winning a B n F in a premiership year and also getting All Australian honours.

I will tell you where in the best 22 he will be, most likely in the first 5 picked.

Couldn't agree more

http://m.afl.com.au/news/2016-10-17/trade-winds-lewis-set-for-demons-move.mobileapp

6 hours ago, kurtneverdied said:

Was about to head to bed! Thanks for that! Just a tad excited.

http://m.afl.com.au/news/2016-10-17/trade-winds-lewis-set-for-demons-move.mobileapp

5 hours ago, Jesse Christ said:

Breaking news,  Hawks trade whole team to facilitate JOM trade! 

Haha. Quote of the day!

3 hours ago, Redleg said:

Isn't it funny, some are delirious and at this stage nothing has happened.

I think most of us are just so wanting to believe it's easy to get carried away.

if it eventuates (JL/TR and MH) I'd be wrapped... especially if we manage to keep our 1st rounder 2017. But even so... I'd be happy to pursue success in 2017 with another compromised draft. If we pull of these trades it shows what can be done when you have all the cylinders firing. Chickens not counted by any stretch

17 minutes ago, Ron Burgundy said:

This thread is essentially the reality tv of sport.

I realise much of it is probably total b.s. but I can't get enough of it.

 

So true.

im also enthused and guilty as charged

32 minutes ago, ILLDieADemon said:

2nd rounder or 3rd round it doesn't matter because if we want to play finals next year a 31 year old A grader is going to help us get there ahead of an 18 year who will take 4 years to develop if they make it at all.

Im sick of drafting for the future, let's trade for next year for a change. 

Drafting for the future is what we have been doing for the past 10 year and it has got us nowhere!!

Spot on. 

We need a few players who have been there done that and am capable (sorry HL, CD). 

Not 100% on bringing in tomR but welcome the FD decision. Have been great the last 3 years

3 hours ago, A F said:

El oh el.

Fair point. 

I for one am sick of not being a destination club. #change

9 minutes ago, Go the Biff said:

Quoting myself is poor form but I've swung around on this now that the Lewis reasons for coming are clearer.

If we can get him for a third round pick we would be laughing. As good as Vince & Jones are, I think the likes of Clarry, Trac, JV, 'Gus and Dom would benefit greatly from a couple of years in the trenches with Lewis. So we'd get a ready made first 18 player & on-field coach. Rather than an impediment to development, he's a 2 year investment in improving our young mids.

He fits in with our "competitors only" ethos - he's as fierce as anyone going around. I suspect he would come with a point to prove so rather than topping up his super as I suggested earlier, he would give everything he's got.

Others have outlined his playing attributes so rather than restate them, I'll just offer up the following. If you were picking the side for next year Round 1, Tommy Bugg or Jordan Lewis ?

Nailed it

18 hours ago, DeeZee said:

Hahahahaha

6 hours ago, ding said:

ffs you drop in hoping to read about trades and all you get is the same petty bickering from the same culprit/s.

Give it a goddamn rest.

Anyone have any trade whispers?

Please?

Anyone? 

 

Thank you. 

Just trawling endlessly through a trail of Mitchell blah blah 

6 hours ago, Sylvia Saint said:

Hard to see Hawthorn and Geelong ever dropping to the bottom half when they get to top up their lists with decent players year after year. 

They might have to trade for their targets, but once a player 'nominates' them, the gun is loaded and finger on the trigger. 

 

So true

2 hours ago, Redleg said:

Well Hibberd either returned to the Bombers, or named a new club, so not really a leak.

As for the improved pick swapping, that got us Oliver's pick, I recall that Demonland was in raptures knowing nothing about it, before it happened. It was a shock to most and wasn't leaked.

Bugg and Kennedy were not the sort of names that would have the other clubs running around.

I think we have tightened up the leaking dramatically.

100%. Most including myself was uncomfortable with the early melksham trade-  but the FD quickly moved to improve our standing. Some on here blew up 

I think weiderman could be a great player if he develops as is expected.  Oliver likewise.

17 minutes ago, Luther said:

If other clubs knew that Rockliff was going that cheap, surely the Lions would be receiving far better offers?

A second rounder and a guy that can't get a gig in our 1st grade... 

cant see how this plays out. Hope so though!

40 minutes ago, Wiseblood said:

Absolutely.  Not denying or arguing that they haven't traded very well over the last 6-7 years.  I was merely pointing out that they haven't been given a 'leg up' through free agency as another poster suggested.

Fair enough. Not free agency but smart trading. Its difficult to get those players to come in unless your successful though.

no 'leg up' - just smart trading and on field success.

2 hours ago, Wiseblood said:

Jonathan Simpkin was a huge pick up in 2012.  Total game changer.

If anything the Hawks have lost out from Free Agency, as they've only picked up Simpkin and Frawley, while losing Buddy Franklin in the process.

Demons2riseagain is talking out of his back pocket on this one.

The Hawks/Geelong/Collingwood etc are commonly nominated by players as their 'preferred club'. Surely you'd agree to that?

3 hours ago, FlashInThePan said:

The whole 'woe is me' drone gets so tiresome, and a lot of what is said around attracting talent is simply guess work and opinion. Which is fine accept that people seem to constantly post it as though it is fact. My opinion is that 4 factors play into attracting players of any calibre: 

1. Money (and contract duration)
2. Opportunity to play and play a role they want
3. Likelihood to experience success
4. Workplace culture (are there people and coaches they admire and are people happy there)

All of the above have to be measured against what that person is experiencing where they are.

We had a hard time with culture and the likelihood of experiencing success for a while there but the culture has clearly been fixed and we seem set to prove out the likelihood of experiencing success. Of course, for the latter, seeing will be believing. Once that has happened we will eventually attract the free agents and players we need or want to ice the cake. Until then we are doing an extremely good job, finally, of developing it in-house. I personally think that bringing in Macca has been one of the best moves of the club. Roos has dealt with the culture and loving coming into work thing and Goodwin is working on strategy and winning in the modern game. Macca has done an awesome job of developing the kids that Josh, Todd and Jason have brought in.

I don't think there is any upside in moaning about who is nominating (or not nominating) us, when we play finals next season the final piece will be there and hopefully free agency can finally start working for us and not against us.

I agree with this whole heartedly!!...there's various motivating factors in play and some appeal more to others. These factors have definitely been addressed and I hope it continues. looking forward not back!

11 minutes ago, DV8 said:

I'm interested in getting picks around 15+  through the 2nd Rnd &into 3rd Rnd, but not to give away our 2017 1st Rnd Pick to do that.

Hey I'd love to get earlier picks but you have to either give up players (with actual currency), future picks or d o some creative accounting with an academy club (who want and need the points)...

so what do you suggest?

13 minutes ago, rjay said:

Buddy, Ablett, Mitchell for a start...

I think this argument holds no water.

I think most people would agree that Geelong and the Hawks have had an incredible benefit under free agency. 

The number of players they've gained far outweighs the loss of 1 player.

Mitchell hasn't gone yet

plus I think players like ablet and buddy probably left to get out of the media fishbowl-(plus buddy's partner in Sydney) so you can understand that. 

12 minutes ago, Dante said:

There are probably a few reasons for that, one is the fact we've had the worst recruiters in the competition who have chosen some of the worst draft picks imaginable, and we have had no development program to develop any that have slipped thorough the cracks and were ok.

With the top picks we have had we should have been able to set the club up for a decade but we blew it. 

Then we've had a poor of field team who were responsible for Neeld and some of the most outrageously stupid decisions ever made by a football club, Richmond excluded, who have almost decimated the club.

Why would any top player choose us, when we see how Goody turns out it may be different, but we have to get runs on the board first, top players can get almost as much playing for a great club as they do playing with us, so it's a no brainer. We have the ingredients and now it's up to us to see if we can bake the cake, if we can then we will get top liners wanting to play for us.

It has to be sustained though, this is the big task for the Bullies now.

 

Fair enough

6 hours ago, DubDee said:

Don't understand people thinking bombers will be good next season. I'm tipping bottom four.  Half the team haven't even seen the other half all year!

stanton and Jobe (32 by start of season) are getting on and the lack of continuity will not help them. They have 6 or so good players and struggle after that. Poor ruck, no forwards aside from Daniher. Not much speed and spread. Missed the draft for 2 years. Not many kids coming through. 

I may be clouded by my rampant hatred for them however. 

Can't see Essendon doing much either.  Good too.

cant wait to see the development in our younger players. Hunt, Track, Oliver, Bradshaw and Kent excite... and the backs Omac and Wagner need much improvement.

feel we need a small forward who can rip a game apart.