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4 hours ago, Jaded No More said:

Or even Petty Jeffo and Roo together.

Jeffo is more of a third tall than he is a key position forward. He’s a good user of the ball and quite agile. I can see him playing more of the Fritsch role.

I am dropping Fritsch this week, for his distinct lack of effort for the past god knows how many games, and bringing another tall and playing Jeffo as a third tall.

I am not sure he gives us less effort than Fritsch at the moment anyway.

I agree with this in that I think Jeffo plays the same role as Fritsch, despite being taller.

I think he needs two other talls (including relief ruck) so that he can drift around and do his thing, not battle their no. 1 forward.

I do wonder if he could play the defensive aerial forward role on opposition interceptors; he does seem to do a good job of bringing the ball to ground to crumb.

I'd like to see us hold the ball and force a stoppage rather than take low probability options that result in turnovers from contested situations, including on the boundary line.

10 minutes ago, jaydenh10 said:

trac wastes every single touch he gets sharpen up mate your on 2 mil plus a year

7 minutes ago, jaydenh10 said:

1.5 or .4 + sponsorships so yea he is

@jaydenh10

When he signed it was reportedly for less than $1 million per year.

You're making stuff up.

https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-news-2021-christian-petracca-contract-melbourne-free-agent-new-deal-net-worth-how-much-money

8 minutes ago, Macca said:

Doesn't Oliver's salary increase pro-rata to the Salary cap increases?

By the time we get to 2030 the overall salary cap might hit $18Million up to $20Million

The reason I referred to the $1.7Million is because of the numbers that are being thrown around

Might be $1.3Million Per annum which is still an almighty sum for a player nowhere near his best

If Clarrie could kick to position or at least hit targets by foot then this conversation probably wouldn't exist

I'm not privy to the details. I know a fixed percentage has been discussed, but I'm pointing out that is something that has been discussed after the initial reports which said "$7 million over 7 years".

You'd think if it was a fixed percentage, they could have got the estimate right by saying. "10 million of 7 years" or something similar.

Also if it was $1m in 2022 and a fixed percentage, then that would be $1.3m today and $1.36m in 2027 based on the actual size of the cap. Substantially less than the purported $1.7 million.

Even if the cap hits $20 million in 2030, the last year of his contract, it would only be $1.47m.

A lot of numbers are made up and add to hyperbole.

32 minutes ago, Macca said:

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For instance, what club would be remotely interested in taking up Oliver's salary? Reported to be in the region of $1.7Million per season until the end of 2030

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Hey @Macca when Oliver was resigned in 2022 it was reported as a 7 year deal worth $7 million. No where near the numbers that are suddenly being thrown around now.

afl.com.au

Not the result we were looking for but Molly named in the best in promising!

On 18/06/2025 at 09:01, poita said:

Is anyone actually left to run our AFLW program? The staff turnover over the past 12 - 18 months has been phenomenal.

Should the club's communications officer really be in charge of list management? Hard to see how either role can be performed properly if that is the case.

Clare Pettyfor was the Melbourne GM of Media and Communications in 2021 and 2022.

She then moved to Collingwood as General Manager of Football Operations (men's program I believe), before returning to us as CCO (Chief Communications Officer) which was an executive level role.

So while her technical background is mainly in comms she has experience in football programs and at executive level management.

If the metric is "how many games do you need to win to get at least one premiership?" then we are the most efficient!

Surely having parents play senior football should rule you out of being eligible for an NGA?

Isn't the purpose to unearth talents from non-traditional backgrounds and pathways?

19 minutes ago, ElDiablo14 said:

And I am not taking that away from him. I just don't see our future being under him anymore.

That's completely fair to hold that view, and it is reasonable to critique specific aspects of his performance (or what you consider his performance).

But statements like "he was handed a list" undermine otherwise reasonable positions.

2 hours ago, ElDiablo14 said:

Goodwin got handed over a strong list from Roos.

He then proceeded to underachiever with said list. Flag aside and 2018 aside, I can't feel anything but like wasted opportunity for more success between 2017-2024.

Roos was only here for 1 season without Goodwin, who he selected as his senior assistant and successor and who joined the MFC in September 2014, before the trade period.

Roos influenced precisely one trade/draft period without Goodwin's input.

Salary cap in 2025 is $17.7 million.

We have 44 players. The bottom 17 players are probably on about $150k each. That includes rookies and draftees and journeymen like Campbell.

That leaves $15.1 million for the other 27 players.

Oliver's contract was reported as $7 million over 7 years. Petraccas was "under a million per year". Kosi is now $1.4 million.

So take those 3 out and we still have $11.8 million for the remaining 24 or $500k each.

There will be a spread between $200k and up to a million for those remaining players. Plenty of cap space to play with.

16 minutes ago, darkhorse72 said:

Great news. Still amazing he's only 23. Feel's like he's been around a lot longer.

Are if someone like Fred does try a raid at some point (Certainly possible at some point int he next 9 years) we can set terms.

Fredmantle.

On 09/06/2025 at 21:43, picket fence said:

No change Nashman? You want to persist with JVR? No room for Jeffo??

He didn't kick any goals at Casey this week @picket fence :p

58 minutes ago, John Crow Batty said:

I guess we started it when we poached Jeff White from them. It’s just normal every day football shenanigans and the exploitation and uncertainties of the go home factor.

Nah, they started it when they took Jason Norrish.

1 minute ago, picket fence said:

Yep nail in the coffin goal kicking A DISGRACE, Skills substandard, game plan wanting, he aint the way going forward!

Pushed the ladder leaders to one point, and probably deserved a win today. Reckon we (and him) are on the right track.

1 hour ago, Ugottobekidding said:

Generally how Goodwin destroys most young players

What rubbish.

Goodwin has been a coach at MFC since 2015 and senior coach since 2017.

Gawn, TMac, Viney and Salem are the only listed players who debuted for Melbourne prior to Goodwin joining.

Everyone on our list (including those four who were relatively young when he join) with the exception of a couple of mature recruits - May, Campbell, McAdams, Billings - have been developed under Goodwin. Even Melksham was coached by Goodwin at Essendon.

4 minutes ago, titan_uranus said:

Billings will go down in history as one of those classic “too good for VFL but not good enough for AFL” players.

Laurie probably the same.

Respectfully disagree.

Billings has played 172 AFL games over 12 seasons, averaging about 14-15 games per season. Clearly he has been good enough for AFL: he is in the top 1000 all time VFL/AFL games played (over 13000 have played at least 1 game, and only ~4000 have got to 50 games).

Has he been an AFL star or able to regularly dominate at AFL level? No. Maybe right now he fits the "too good for VFL but not good enough for AFL" descriptor, but it doesn't sum up his career.

However right now I thinkthat is how Laurie is tracking. He'll get more chances this year and next, but I suspect ultimately he will be not be good enough to play regularly at AFL level.

42 minutes ago, Diamond_Jim said:

Blame the strange voting system in Tasmania.

If this was in say SA no party would dare go to an election saying no to the stadium simply because it would cause a 5% swing that could lose a crucial seat.

Tasmania is more like the Federal Senate with each area (boundaries are the same as the Federal seats) electing seven members.

Thus like the Senate the last two elected in each of the seven areas hold a crucial balancing vote. You don't need many votes to get those last two spots.

What a "Devil" of a system

The multi member district system (including the senate) provides a much better representation of the population in parliament than single member districts do.

In the recent federal election the 2 major parties captured about 67% of the votes but a combined 91% of the seats. On the other hand the Greens got more than 12% of the vote (1 in 8 people voted Greens) but only 0.6% of the seats.

Preference voting means that the results represent a better outcome than FPTP would, but it's pretty clearly it's not representative.

For what it's worth, you need the same number of votes for each seat in the Tasmanian multi member district (1 quota, either before or after preference distribution). The last seats don't get in with less.

4 minutes ago, monoccular said:

Fixturing including who plays where (who visits Geelong every year, and who never goes, who travels interstate least)

Unmanageable rules like “insufficient intent” as if umpires are genius mind readers

Yes, amateur umpiring and a conflicted MRO.

I do wonder if this (unmanageable rules) is a strategy. Grey areas mean controversy, which means clicks and rage bait and engagement in the media, which in turn brings dollars in the door.

2 minutes ago, Sir Why You Little said:

Yes i agree with all the above.

My point is that there is only 1 AFL. They have no Competition. The Gravy Train is an enclosed bubble

Oh yeah absolutely.

A lucky sport in that they have no real competition in Australia outside NRL, and even that is geographical. Soccer and b-ball are 3rd rate sports in Australia because of the international order.

All they have to do is put the product on and the money comes, they don't need to build a good business to succeed.

1 hour ago, Sir Why You Little said:

The AFL is only accountable to itself, that’s the main problem. The Commission are swimming in Ca$h, so the Gravy Train is well and truly alive.

Gather Round is a good example, apart from being a fun weekend for Adelaide Residents, what is its benefits??

Football doesn’t need promotion in Adelaide

The AFL Executive (CEO) is accountable to the AFL Commission.

The AFL Commission are effectively the board of directors, and have similar responsibilities to the Board of any organisation (fir all intents and purposes this includes managing the performance of the executive). BTW most of them are actually volunteers in this role (don't accept directors fees).

The AFL Commissioners are appointed (voted in) by the Clubs (each club gets one vote). Similar to how a board of directors is appointed by the shareholders in a for-profit company.

The Clubs can overrule the Commission on certain items and also retain authority for certain decisions (including whether to issue new licences for new teams). And the Clubs can remove the Commissioners if they are unhappy with their performance.

If you really want to extend this, the members of each AFL Club appoint it's Board. Meaning the club members are ultimately able to influence the AFL Executive via who they elect.

So there is accountability within the structure.

Saying they are only accountable to themselves, is like saying "BHP is only accountable to itself".

Note: I'm not saying they AFL is well run or that there isn't a boys club. But there is absolutely a relatively contemporary corporate governance structure in place.

30 minutes ago, Wrecker45 said:

Does anyone know why we aren't playing him as a forward? When we drafted him all the reports were of him kicking 20 goals in a game. 60 goals in 12 games. Melbourne know more than most that good goal kickers are hard to find

I think it's simply that he didn't perform that well in that role his initial season at the club and they shifted him back.

But also, in lower standard (and particularly junior footy) the best players all tend to play midfield, moving forward to kick goals. Once they get to AFL level, they often find a position more suited to their attributes.

30 minutes ago, Jaded No More said:

How so, because Spargo miraculously is so short that Mills missed his head and therefore he avoided a concussion?

Mills turned his body and left the ground to make contact. If that’s Kosi doing it, it’s 3 weeks even if his opponent gets straight back up.

There is absolutely no doubt that again this broken system took into account Spargo’s lack of concussion. If he does get concussed that is 3 weeks.

This stupid outcome based system needs a total overhaul.

Agree entirely about the rubbish of outcome based suspension.

Mills had no chance to win/collect the ball, he just jumped to clean him up.

Pearce from Freo got three weeks for his impact on PAs Bryne-Jones, in a situation where he really couldn't do much. My thoughts watching that were that Pearce was leading out to take a mark looked down and realised he was late and going to collide and tried (unsuccessfully) to minimise impact by going past him not through him. But it is outcome based so he gets longer.

2 hours ago, DiscoStu17 said:

Sorry M, Cream (Full-cream) is Fullarton.

I think it’s got something to do with him being a smooth mover.

I had always assume ld it was Cream, short for Full Cream because his name is FULLarton?