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40 minutes ago, Demons11 said:

Not sure of the specifics 

In other words, you've got no idea of whether he did have a contract offer earlier in the year. What's your source?

If he's devastated with being pushed out, I doubt that it's true. And based on the compo pick we're likely to get, WCE aren't paying him huge dollars.

2 minutes ago, grazman said:

Maybe we should help Port out and give them one of the first round draft picks we get for Jacko so they can package that up with their existing 1st pick to get JHF.    All we'd be looking for in return is Georgiades. 

Was thinking the same thing. They'll need to lose a player in order to satisfy North.

Ironic that Adelaide offered North a bounty last year for Pick 1, so they could get JHF. 

8 minutes ago, BAMF said:

What are we likely to get in trade?

I feel like anywhere between a late second round pick to early third would be a straight swap. Say... Between 32 and 42.

Is that realistic?

A pick in the 40s most likely. 

1 hour ago, dee-tox said:

Shame to lose a guy after four years of development but it is understandable that blokes just want to play. 

I don't know whether he'll make it. Shown glimpses but also invisible for long parts of the game.

That's how I feel about Bedford. We need another pacey forward with X factor, but Bedford doesn't strike me as a natural footballer. I'd like to see Chandler given the same opportunities as Bedford, or AMW given a crack if he continues to develop.

GWS probably see him as a replacement for Bobby Hill, but I'm not sure that Bedford is a walk up start at the Giants.

If we rated Bedford highly enough, we would have offered him a decent contract mid-season when he was getting regular games.

14 minutes ago, Redleg said:

One of the problems is players like Spargo make space, flap their arms and yell for the pass and then are totally ignored.

It is clearly better according to our coach, to bomb it long to the outnumbered contest and ignore players making space.

Players like Spargo need to stop flapping their arms, and get to the fall of the ball. Plus kicking to a stationary target can be easily intercepted. Kicking to a leading target is the higher percentage play.

I've watched the 2021 GF probably 50 times, and the most inexcusable bit of play was at the start of the last qtr. Sparrow rightfully ignored Spargo's lead into the pocket, and kicked it to BBB at the top of the square. Spargo had a dummy spit instead of running to the fall of the ball, should BBB have dropped the mark.

Spargo gets way to many credits for his 1 or 2 30 metre passes a game.

7 hours ago, RedsoxMan said:

He is also going to a lowly club. Maybe he is going back to losing  most games next year. Like when he started?

Most players in Hunt's position would take the security of a better financial offer, when your current club doesn't show you any love.

I agree with Picket, and Hunt should have been given an opportunity on the wing or up forward. Let's compare Hunt (the ball butcher) to Spargo (elite kick) when both were played up forward. 

Spargo 2021/2022 49 games 28 goals 28 behinds

Hunt     2019            21 games 21 goals 10 behinds

Hunt's pace could have been utilised to apply forward defensive pressure, rather than go-slow Spargo.

2 minutes ago, The heart beats true said:

You have a fake million dollars, what do you spend it on? Mitch Georgiadis? No.

Instead i’d spend the fake million on a time machine, go back to 1986, move the Hawkins family to Alice Springs, wait for Tom’s arrival in 1988, keep him away from everyone, and pick him up for nothing through our academy. Bang! 15 years of a gun forward.

If you’re going to get theoretical why not get weirdly, deeply theoretical?

Your time machine was warped. You needed to program it 20 years earlier before Tom's father Jack was zoned to Geelong. Jumping Jack Hawkins was a very good footballer.

11 minutes ago, titan_uranus said:

They also brought Caddy, Nankervis and Prestia in at the end of 2016, which spearheaded their charge to the 2017 flag, so I'm not sure @bing181 was right about "no trades in 2016".

Having said that, I agree with bing's general argument that people over-estimate the importance of trading in new players. And people also incorrectly assume that because a player moves club, that the player would have come to Melbourne had we asked and, accordingly, we didn't ask.

My argument is that I'd like us to get a player that may change the dynamics of how we play, because there was little evidence of Plan B. 

The Cats getting Stengle was probably seen as a minor acquisition before the season started, but ended up being hugely important. 

3 minutes ago, rjay said:

We usually have no surprises so as far as trades go it's Grundy.

No other blockbuster move.

The big issue is what we get for Jackson and how much we give for Grundy.

I would expect there to be nothing else for us in trade week.

...but

And that's exactly what I said, and for some reason was called "negative".

I'm sure we'll be involved with some draft pick swaps, which will get some Demonlanders excited.

50 minutes ago, A F said:

You're very negative aren't you?

Whilst all other potential trades are out in the open, we're secretly hiding some blockbuster move. Yeah right.

And I'm sure you were one of those that didn't believe that Jackson was leaving.

4 minutes ago, Redleg said:

Unless we are very professional and don't leak.

I don't think any clubs leak, but Player Agents have family, friends and contacts in the media. And divulging potential player movements prior to Trade Week doesn't haven't any impact on the end result.

I'm afraid that there will be no Big Fish landed. Maybe some guppies.

1 hour ago, BigBadBustling said:

I can't believe nobody's asked the biggest question of all yet.

If everybody 'knows' Valvoline is the best oil, why do they have to keep telling us?

Anyway, that's enough for me - got other things to do, I'm off to install a Rheem, install a Rheem, install a Rheem

 

Is John Laws hosting Trade Radio? 

A 3 year offer for Bedford is another head scratcher. Are we offering him an extra year, but on less money per annum?

Personally, I think that Bedford is a limited footballer. But if he has the tank, he could be a useful defensive small forward who's capable of averaging a goal a game. And I see that as an upgrade on Spargo. 

We have plenty of players who can apply defensive pressure at the contest, but very few with the pace of Bedford and Hunt to be able to apply defensive pressure once the ball has cleared the contest.

I think we need to inject pace into the team, so retaining Bedford makes sense. But the problem is whether stubborn Goody will make any changes to his Premiership team.

Just now, george_on_the_outer said:

...and wouldn't you hate being a forward .....is he going to kick it?  Short or Long?  Is he going to keep running? Will I run forward or retreat?  Do I lead now or wait until he stops running?

The fans love the look, but it does nothing for the team.

Our forwards don't have to worry about leading patterns. Just plonk yourself in the left forward pocket and you'll find it.

And how often do you see our backs trying to dissect the opposition with precision passing? Long up the line is our MO. A running defender can breakup defensive zones.

And yes the fans loved seeing Hunt change the game against Carlton with his run and dare, when the game looked lost. 

32 minutes ago, Redleg said:

Yep. I know we are on the outside looking in and we will have a better understanding today fortnight, but it does seem like we are unbalancing the list.

My concern is that we could have a lot of players who could be cooked physically or career wise next year. BBB, T Mac, Tomlinson, J.Smith, Weid, Hibbo, Melk, Grundy. On top of that we had numerous key players have leg/foot injuries this year.

If we don't get any best 22 players in aside from Grundy, we'll be relying on quite of few of our kids who have yet to debut.

Just now, layzie said:

Should he stay or should he go?

If he stays there will be trouble but if he leaves there will be double. 

Oh c'mon and let me know.

1 minute ago, Demonstone said:

He's an unrestricted free agent.   We wouldn't be "palming him off".  It's his decision alone.

I suspect his decision will be based on which club shows the most love ($ and years). He's best 22 and played 20 games in each of the past 2 years. He won't be leaving for more opportunity.

If we've offered him a lowball contract, then in some ways we are "palming him off". 

Tomlinson not finishing in the top 10 is telling, despite playing most of the year at Casey. Explains the lack of interest by other clubs.

Fair chance that Corey Ellison will get drafted. Hopefully by us.

Only backman that generated any run. Compo will be negligible. Would prefer to keep.

13 minutes ago, The Jackson FIX said:

Strange-ish decision. Could be chaos there for a little while 

Don't know why. Gunston is a smart footballer who could fit into any sides forward line. He's a better fit than McStay.

18 minutes ago, dee-tox said:

Interesting.

Seems like many of our fringe players (Tomlinson, Bedford, Hunt, Weed, etc.) are looking around.

Maybe signals a more ruthless approach to list management?

I'm not sure where the list management is going if they trade Weid. I've never been a fan of him, but he definitely showed enough improvement as a ruckman at Casey to be required as ruck depth.

Without Jackson and Weid, we'd need to bring in 3 ruckmen onto our list. Grundy is obviously one, plus a mature ager at Casey, and the other a rookie. 

I perish the thought that we'd use JVR as a 2nd ruck should Max or Grundy get injured. T Mac and BBB are physically unable to play the 2nd ruck role.

15 minutes ago, Lord Nev said:

Rising Star, Premiership player.

Who would go first if they were being drafted this year?

Rate Naughton very highly, but we're talking market worth here.

I'll leave it at that, don't wanna back over it too many times. Understand if others have a differing opinion on Demonland.

Do you really think clubs add a premium based on those? Lewis Taylor won a Rising Star. Jacob Townsend was an impactful player in a Premiership side. Club BnF finishes would hold more weight.

7 hours ago, buck_nekkid said:

Has his medical been sorted?  Are we buying Fine Cotton or Phar Lap?

I think we are buying Phar Lap. He's stuffed and his heart is in another place.

The Kozzie rumour has as much credence as the Naughton rumour on Demonland. Both are a figment of someone's imagination.

1 minute ago, Demonland said:

 

An agility test must have been part of his fitness test. If we can't get Tomlinson off our books, can't see us doing anything major other than getting Grundy. No chance of absorbing the Bowes contract.