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35 minutes ago, old55 said:

We've got 8 players that didn't play in our finals' teams that should be ready to go next year - Laurie, Bowey, JVR, Howes, JJ, Chandler, Woewodin and Turner.  That's not counting D.Smith, McVee and AMW who can all improve with another year in the system.  They'll either get opportunities or leave like Bedford.

We also had Tomlinson, TMac, Dunstan and J.Smith not in the 22.

Our depth is not as dire as you make out.

You'd be correct if T Mac and BBB didn't have huge question marks on their durability. There is also question marks on whether Grundy and Gawn can play as forwards.

As it stands, when it comes to KPFs, we are pinning our hopes on JVR, who hasn't played a game. 

Weid didn't address our KPF issues because he wasn't good enough. But he did show something as a ruck/fwd at Casey. And we do lack ruck depth.

I'd feel a lot more comfortable with our KPF depth if we committed to Petty up forward next year. Then there's no pressure to play a half cooked BBB or T Mac every week.

3 minutes ago, deejammin' said:

Ok, name how many AFL ruckmen you would pick before Jackson then name how many AFL mids you would have before JHF. 
For me, there’s at most five rucks I’d pick before Jackson (Gawn, Witts, Darcy, Hickey, Stanley) there’s a HUGE number of mids I’d pick before JHF (Oliver, Petracca, Viney, Dangerfield, Neale, Bontempelli, Liberatore, Treloar, Boak, Wines, Parker, Warner, Crisp, Miller, Rowell, Anderson, Cripps, Walsh, Cerra, Hewitt, Kennedy, Brayshaw, Serong, Laird, Keays, Taranto, Hopper, Martin, Cunnington, the list goes on.)

JHF May become a top mid, he may not, Jackson is a top ruck right now. His games against Brisbane mid season and Gold Coast early were better than anything JHF did all year. Not to mention how he went in the 2021 GF. He’s streets ahead in a position that’s harder to fill.

Premiership teams are built around midfields, not ruckmen. You left out Nankervis who is a triple premiership ruckman. Dogs won a flag with Jordon Roughead as their no.1 ruck. When we flogged the Cats in 2021, Stanley was considered a dud. Hickey is a journeyman. Witts was a discard. 

Jackson is not a top flight ruckman yet. He may be in the future. But I'd guarantee that JHF will be a very good/gun midfielder.

4 minutes ago, layzie said:

Only rando SEN caller could set DL off like this..

Short memory @layzie. A Demonland poster set DL off with the Naughton rumour. It doesn't take much to set DL off.

1 minute ago, 58er said:

Who's GNF ? 

Guns n Fuschias.

34 minutes ago, rpfc said:

Looking forward to 2023. Of the $$$ is what is mooted this is great value.

Gawn won’t ever be AA ruckman again and that’s ok. If he can kick 30+ goals and allow us to kick to the top of the square then great. Let’s fashion a fwd line around that.

Are you expecting Max to have 120 attempts at goal next year?

Just now, TRIGON said:

We can stop roasting Tim Lamb now?

Roast Lamb!!!.🤤🤤🤤

At least the club recognised that Grundy was a salary dump, unlike some on here who were happy to give up a 1st rounder.

Well done to Tim Lamb for not giving up anymore than pick 27. But the question is how much of Grundy's contract we are paying.

16 minutes ago, JimmyGadson said:

10 times less capable ?

One couldn't split their careers to date.

 

But that's the thing. Weid is contracted, so we don't have to trade him. At least Weid showed that he was competitive as a ruckman at VFL level.

I haven't seen anything of Schache as a 2nd ruckman. But I would have thought a depth ruckman in Weid is more important than a depth forward/backman in Schache.

The Josh Bruce rumour was a smokescreen. We were after the "big fish" Schache the whole time.

3 hours ago, Big Red Rooster said:

 

Dees should trade out picks 13, 27 and F2 to Cats in return for their 7 and 25.  Dees trade 25 to Filth for Grundy. Cats trade 13 to Filth for Henry.

 

Dees free up $1m in salary cap by trading out Weids, Hunt, Bedford etc (Jackos exit covers Grundy). Dees target Whitfield (or Georgiades) by trading out our future first round pick plus what we get for Weids.

 

Dees bring in Grundy and Whitfield (or Georgiades) and go to draft with pick 7.

Cats aren't going to move 6 spots backwards out of the top 10 for a F2 (Pick 30ish). We moved from 33 to 27 for around the same value. 

16 minutes ago, A F said:

Damned if he does, damned if he doesn't. If we do the deal and he doesn't say anything up top 10 picks, some nuffy supporters complain that we just rolled over.

Further, it's also a good way of showing the supporting base what they'd like and bar. Even if you don't get it.

And yet most neutrals are saying we're easily ahead in this deal.

It's only the eternal wristslashing MFC supporters that think we got dudded.

For starters, what we got for Jackson and Bedford was spot on.

Lamb doesn't have to appease the nuffie supporters. That's the sort of stuff that Dodo does. All he has to say is that we're still working through things. He'll cop more backlash now from supporters. 

13 minutes ago, A F said:

This is bluster for their fans. Just as Lamb coming out and saying we wanted two first round picks for Jackson.

It's optics.

Is Lamb still looking like a hero to our fans because of what he said last week about the Jackson and Bedford deals? The bluster is pointless when the result goes the other club's way. 

6 minutes ago, dazzledavey36 said:

So he admits that the mid year break he pretty much made his decision.........

The club probably knew at the same time, which is why Clarry and Gus were signed to long term deals.

3 minutes ago, adonski said:

Collingwood are threatening to hang on to Brodie Grundy after Melbourne refused a proposal to swap first round picks as part of the deal for the ruckman, which came on a busy day of trades which saw the Demons finally complete a three-club deal to get Luke Jackson to Fremantle.

Melbourne have refused to offer more than pick 27 for the two-time All-Australian ruckman, who is contracted to Collingwood for five more years on big money. Collingwood have offered to pay some of Grundy’s contract at Melbourne.

Collingwood had said at the outset of trade talks they wanted a draft pick inside 25 for Grundy. In early trades Melbourne secured pick 27, a selection Collingwood said is insufficient on its own to do the Grundy deal.

On Monday Melbourne received pick 13 as part of the exchange that saw Jackson finally land at Fremantle. Collingwood have proposed trading Grundy and pick 16 to Melbourne for the Demons’ picks 13 and 27. Melbourne has rejected this.

Collingwood could alternatively seek to revise down slightly the amount of money they contribute to Grundy’s salary in exchange for accepting the slightly later pick. The club has also said they are prepared to keep the ruckman and abandon the trade.

https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/collingwood-threatens-to-hang-on-to-grundy-dockers-secure-jackson-bombers-snare-setterfield-suns-giants-make-moves-20221010-p5bonr.html

Beautiful. I hope they keep Grundy.

Let's see who blinks first. Tim Lamb is 0-2 on his trade bluster to date (Jackson and Bedford). 

8 minutes ago, GCDee said:

I think we did well out of this? We weren’t using picks 44 or 67. Sure we would have been pushing for norths second but that would essentially be 3 first rounders which is way overs. 
Let’s hope freo get ahead of them selves and pull a Melbourne 2019 season. 

I thought we'd get the 2 1st rounders, so the F2 was a bonus. 

11 minutes ago, DemonOX said:

Will be real interesting to see how he goes without Gawns support and mentoring. 

Pressure will be immense to perform and no doubt the Freo ferrals will let him know if he ain’t going well. 

What do you mean? Jackson was bog ordinary this year.

8 minutes ago, The end is nigh said:

Is the value so far off? Geelong can’t make the trade happen without securing a future second rounder to appease Gold Coast or get approval from the afl like port tried to. Might as well attempt to get involved, or watch someone else do it and wish we did. 

Geelong aren't giving up pick 7 for pick 13 and steak knives. They'd only give up pick 7 for 2 1st round picks in the teens.

4 minutes ago, The end is nigh said:

Wasn’t sure where to post this but here’s as good as any place.

Collingwood said a top 25 pick. Geelong have pick 25. 
so I propose we offer:

13, 27 to geelong and freos future second (or ours) to Gold Coast to get back 7 and 25. Gives them the extra pick currency to be able to appease the draft regulations and gives us the top 7 pick we had a target in mind for (clearly not cadman now as speculation is that gws want him with pick 1). Geelong might want it sweetened with something extra like later round pick swaps but it seems reasonable enough to me. 

You're dreaming. 

Where are all the posters that proclaimed that Grundy is worth a 1st round pick, so that's what we should give up? All of sudden the dual AA and BnF winner is now absent in the conversation.

Even if we got a top 10 pick for Jackson, Grundy worth is pick 27 at the most as a salary dump by the Pies. What we got for Jackson should always have been immaterial for what we pay for Grundy.

11 minutes ago, BigMacjnr said:

If recruiters think picks 8-20 are in the same bracket then its just the value on paper. More important is who we have on our board and where our preference is ranked on other boards.

Well that goes against the clubs strategy of  moving up the draft.

Freo have a couple of highly rated young mids in Erasmus and Johnson, who'll get more game time. Lobb is a loss, but they're getting a generational talent (cough, cough) to replace him.

It's folly to predict any teams rise or fall. 

I seriously don't understand what our ruck list management plan has been. Last year we re-sign Weid for 2 years on presumably low money, and groom him as a backup ruck/forward. He was a failure as a forward at AFL level this year, but was playing as the 1st ruck at Casey, and acquitted himself well in the finals.  

If we don't see any potential in Weid as a ruck, why did we re-sign him? We could have drafted or traded for a ruckman in their early 20's, and groomed them under Max. Instead we got an aging Daw.

What was more concerning was JVR playing in the ruck at Casey. If he is our backup should Gawn/Grundy get injured, then we've lost the plot.

11 minutes ago, Bay Riffin said:

thats not correct. 

Demonland is the only place where people think that Cerra wanted to come to Melbourne.

35 minutes ago, Bay Riffin said:

what a disappointing rubbish deal that is for us.. Not even a top 10 pick. For al lthe talk of a generational player, rising star etc and we are doing this deal early without making them sweat. 

 

I don't get it we had Cerra wanting to come to us but we didn't have a high pick. Now Freo have no top 10 and don't have to come up with anything. two late first rounders. What a joke. 

 

 

Cerra was always going to Carlton. We came to the party late, and he gave us the courtesy of a meeting.

3 minutes ago, Lord Nev said:

I know Meek apparently wants to get to Hawthorn, but so far I don't know heaps of other backup ruck options that will come into trade calculations.

Meek won't come to Melbourne. He's contracted and wants to leave Freo because he'll be sitting behind Darcy and Jackson. Why would he want to sit behind Gawndy? 

If Weid goes, we'll need a mature ager from the state leagues and a young rookie ruckman. 

It would be sheer madness if we use JVR as a backup ruck. T Mac and BBB look cooked. 

I'm not a Weid fan, but he is ruck depth.