I don't think any of us should pretend to know the absolute reality of this situation......

And given we are basing our assumptions of Voss's character on this particular video, has it been doctored or altered in any way for media purposes?

We have absolutely no answer to that, and given no-one seems to know where the hell it came from this actuality is not completely out of the question.

As in my opinion there is way too much that we simply don't know. About this or about him !!!

Reading your take on this is like wading through treacle. You make it sound complicated when its not.

I have not seen any example of anyone here has pretended to know anything more than what has been made public.

I believe that any assumption we had of Voss' character prior to this incident was extremely positive. No one from our side of the fence saw this coming, or did we? Hence the alarm bells.

The incident was captured on the POW secuirty CCTV. Commercial venues have them. Theres your answer.

The images cannot be doctored. Only footage can be erased. What are you trying to say? If im not mistaken, you infact sound like youre defending Voss?

Provocation or not, his actions were reckless,stupid and irresponsible. There are no excuses. He is very lucky that the outome was no worse. Anyone remember David Hookes?

BTW QC, have you heard of the the KISS principle?

David Hookes? While I understand your reference, just who is making what factually happened more complicated that it needs to be?

And for the record you may not agree with my take on things Alan, but please don't condescend to me. I am some ignorant fool :angry:

(and this is unfortunately not the first time you have belittled my comments either).

My opinion it just that, it is not necessarily or absolutely right or wrong, but neither is yours, despite what you seem to think.

And I am certainly not defending Voss for his actions on that night, but I will always try to give people a second chance if they make a mistake, especially in this circumstance since it does appear to be a one-off indecent, and therefore I will not condemn him for life for the horrible happening.

But if you could actually try to understand what I wrote instead of just patronizing it, then you would have read that we have no true idea what actually happened (unless of course you have first hand account of the event) and footage can always be altered if the press want us to see a particular thing.

I don't know if this happened or not. But it is not a complete impossibility.

So therefore instead of totally condemning him, and without further thought just write off every other skill, ability and positive attribute he may have, I believe that we should wait for the eventual outcome of the investigation and proceedings. And if your "simple" answer is the right one, then so be it.

I didn't like what I saw and would never condone violent behavior (having been on the end of it in the very recent and quite distant past for very different reasons) but there is always more to every situation than the simple back and white. That is life, simple would be great, but not always accurate.

And despite what some on here seem think of him now, I am pretty sure that he will still be looked at for the job anyway.

David Hookes? While I understand your reference, just who is making what factually happened more complicated that it needs to be?

And for the record you may not agree with my take on things Alan, but please don't condescend to me. I am some ignorant fool :angry:

You missed my point. As with the 'Voss & esteemed company' mob attack , Hookesy was involved in an incident not dissimilar. The end result was tragic. It could easily have happened again.

The whole incident was ugly, stupid & cannot be condoned. Voss is particulary disappointing as whilst under scrutiny he publicly stated to being satisfied with his actions. A smug & foolish comment. Put simply, it opens another window into the psyche of someone who has fast become a character of questionable repute.

Anything else said is utter tish.

In your opinion, and that is not gospel......

And for heavens sake stop making out that anyone who doesn't automatically throw Voss away like used garbage condones what happened that night.

I realise that it makes your stance more appealing if we are seen as sympathetic to violent outbursts.

But that is just ignoring what has been written. No-one here condones what we saw happen.