i,m not into daniher bashing either, but it is frustrating that the players who dont deliver on a regular basis dont appear to be getting disciplined for it - these guys get paid bloody good money.

at the moment i,m thinking of yze [who i love as a player].

do any of us remember grgich?he went to geelong; that was a happy day, he used to drive me crazy but continued to be named seemingly week after week

This disease seems to be contagious.

I too am surprised at the amount of ppl sticking the boot into the coach after 1 game...

I remember last year the same people on this site were yelling the same things - fickle fair weather f***kers in my opinion!

I am not happy with last weeks performance but am not willing to even consider the death penalty yet.

Just my thoughts.

Fair weather? Right. While the reactive and over-emotional posters are annoying, worse still are the eternal optimists who label all criticism of anything to do with the MFC as an act of supporter treason.

When we made the grand final in 2000 I had the same opinion of ND as a coach that I do now - not good enough.

I'm not going to really go into the effectiveness because it would take too long, and other posts have delt with it. Now, I'm not averse to responsibility being located with more than just the players. However, I find it hard to say that the attitidue demonstrated is neale's fault.

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So, with footy, it is Danner's job to be on message, and it is the player's job to implement. We should question the plan/message, but it is hard to see it when we played the way we did - is it poor plan, poor players or a combo? How do you tell? I'd argue that the ony thing that is easy to measure is attitude. And you can see it in many ways and ours sucks consistently. THat is the player's responsibility solely (IMO).

I'm fine with the the argument that responsibility can't just be laid at the table of the players. However, ND has been at the club for a decade. That means that those guys who are ~30 were just 20 years old when ND started. 10 years is more than enough time to create the list you want. Any of our senior players who have the "consistently" poor attitude you speak of could have been delisted or traded by ND in the ten years he's been at the club.

Oh, and lets not get into ND's tactical nous which even TV pundits, who are generally extremely reluctant to criticise coaches in general, make mention of.