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2 hours ago, Demon Dynasty said:

He performed when the game was there to be won and against the highest rated team we've played all year playing a high pressure game.

Some great attack on the pill, presented well, a number of score involvements including some up the field (work ethic).  Competed well at ground level and kicked two VN goals.

If we got that or similar most weeks from Plugga he's gonna be very hard to dislodge this season, injury aside.

TMacs lead,mark and goal in the second quarter was what a good leading forward does.

Certainty and authority.

Weideman doesn't have it.

11 hours ago, Garbo said:

Problem with smith is more he isn’t Petty, May got burned a few times by leaving smith as last man down back which cost us a few goals, I  doubt we would have the same issue with Petty in that situation 

Guesstimates rule 

22 minutes ago, Ouch! said:

Not so sure he will get to 200 this week against the saints.

I didn't like the optics of that mark in the goalsquare, nor his 'excuse' for why he took it rather than let it through.

Additionally I like what I have seen in the last few weeks with the Weid, and he at least feels like he is capable of getting a bag of 3 or 4. I don't get that feeling with Tom, who is more of a structural element than a player in form.

But he thoroughly deserves to get to 200, and has been a good servant of the club.

I reckon structure up forward is exactly what we want right now, not a bloke who can't catch the ball and goes missing when he doesn't get in the way

14 hours ago, leave it to deever said:

my reasoning was that dribble goal Sw missed, Tmac would have nailed it,

After seeing both in the team with BBB and Fritta why are we even talking about it?

Obviously Tom but next year Tom is likely gone so then it's Weid.

Meanwhile we have depth inc Van Rooyen

21 hours ago, whatwhat say what said:

brenton sanderson's strategy on sen:

• play two rucks, have one 'tag' steven may to stop him playing his intercept game
• tag petracca
• play your six forwards rather than rolling one up to stoppages
• high pressure forward approach so you can't go 'too tall' (which seems to contradict his first point)
• one mid rolls back to play a 'back 7'
• embrace 'chaos football'

basically says every team needs to go AGAINST their own game plan in order to beat us

said that we're ahead of the pack, then the bears, then a crop of 5-6 teams

I think the view on taking May's marking strength away with a rigid one on one approach makes sense but you'd need another "Fritsch like" marking forward and Charlie Cameron around the contest.

Or you could just hope the Dee's have an " off " day when you play them...especially if it's the Prelim.

11 minutes ago, Diamond_Jim said:

Brings T Mac back into contention but I'm starting to warm a little for Melksham

If Tom doesn't get a guernsey this week he may as well apply for the Giants coaching job.

He probably needs to kick five and hit Weid lace out on the chest( he'll spill them ) to hold his spot

48 minutes ago, roy11 said:

If they win this one will any [censored] from elsewhere say that they haven't beaten anyone important?

6 hours ago, rpfc said:

Classic MFC fan revisionism of BB. He was fantastic at North and has been, and currently is, the best tall forward we have.

I said footy not tall forward...I reckon you are correct about BBB.

I used to hate him at North..big fan now

8 minutes ago, Lucifers Hero said:

In Victoria 'close contacts' no longer need to isolate so players are safe unless they get it.

Yep great system... that was on the cards when football coaches came out and insisted that was best practise for the minority of the population who follow AFL

I don't recall Brett Sutton's advice and clearly a November election is irrelevant as a consideration. 

5 hours ago, IRW said:

 

 

 

1 hour ago, hemingway said:

Matthew Lloyd might be right in stating that Weid is the more natural forward than BB and TMac. I would agree regarding TMac but not BB. 

However, we no longer have a game where teams rely on a natural forward a la Matthew Lloyd or a Full Forward of the past generation or 5. We have a game where versatility, two way running, contested footy etc predominant. Fritsch is successful because he is good in the air and on the ground, and can win his own ball no matter how the ball enters the forward line. And he kicks goals from limited opportunities. His skill set means he is difficult to match up and has the happy knack of being able to lose his opponent. 

Weid is the more natural lead to position and be the recipient of the well delivered ball. But we don’t play that way any more. It’s bomb the ball forward and have a group of versatile players create opportunities from a loose ball. 

Watching the matches so far it appears that the coaches and BB and Weid have not worked out how to play together without tripping over one another or their teammates. 

I just can’t see how we can have both players up forward as the season progresses. It seems out of balance. 

BB is harder to match up on, normally a reliable kick for goal and had also had shown terrific second and third efforts. He is footy smart and know where to go. 

I think we are better off going with BB rather than Weid. 

Weid does not seem to suit our game plan. Clearly Goodwin and others are prepared to persevere with Weid but he does not seem the right fit. The coaches see it differently and they are in a position to know. It just seems odd. 

All this  analyses of Weideman makes it seem as if Lloyd doesn't know  he's been in and out of the team for the last five or so years but can't come good..

He's a leading marking forward who can't catch the ball

He's a good kick 

He looks as dopey as Mathew Lloyd but isnt as talented which is a pity but still  maybe the Hawks have long memories about playing against him and will be a little worried.

BBB plays like Mr Squiggle but is better at footy.

Tom is the best of the three but can't keep his form over a full season and he's had nearly 200 games to prove it

Just now, Red But Mostly Blue said:

Our delivery inside 50 has been pretty ordinary tonight.

It's  called blazing away without any poise.

I' ll give him that one 

32 minutes ago, picket fence said:

Hes had what 5 or 6 years to build confidence. Its now or Casey Forever DO SOMETHING SON!

I am waiting for someone to say he's got 2 goals so he's one of our best

8 minutes ago, picket fence said:

Hes had what 5 or 6 years to build confidence. Its now or Casey Forever DO SOMETHING SON!

Well he fell over nicely just then and hit a goal for it.

He's good for the season now I reckon

5 minutes ago, Bates Mate said:

Agree on Weidman , we actually need BBB leading further up the ground

No no no The coach knows what's he's doing..Weid just needs a season of consecutive games to gain confidence

2 hours ago, leave it to deever said:

I would love to see this bloke make it, even if its at the expense of one of my favorite players in Tmac.

If he doesn't make it this year, I fear time will start to be against him. This is  all I'm trying to say.

He has the fitness....pedigree and talent. 

Maybe tonight will be his breakout game. Come on SW.

Yep any Dee who comes good is welcome  but breakout game is a bit rich.What he needs is consistent good games

1 hour ago, drysdale demon said:

Knowledge and experience for starters.

Ok ..so as I said...no more opinions on here please.

5 hours ago, leave it to deever said:

Hes 25 in a few months.

Everyone hopes he will do well but at this stage, I think time is against him.

He simply must fire tonight and continue to do so. 

I'm pleased you mention his age...so far the excuses for his non production  of results run to " its all above his shoulders"...he's been playing AFL for 6 or 7 years and he's a grown up...or he  hasn't had a good run in the "ones"...I don't know how many sequential games he's played ,or how many times, but I am confident  there has not been a rolled gold full forward keeping him out of the 22 when he's had his chance (s)...

45 minutes ago, drysdale demon said:

My point is that Goodwin would have a far better idea than you.

Fair enough..so perhaps the mods should now just ban opinions( with or without reasons) henceforth. 

Did you hear the story about me sitting on the balcony with a mate at a Dee's vs North match many many seasons ago?

Barry Cable coaching North from the box which  in those days was open and just a" lean across "from our seats.

Half time ..Brian Wilson is cutting up North playing on the wing and my mate says " they should put Glendenning( I think it was) on Wilson"...so I say.."the coach is just there why don't you tell him" and so Benny did....

" What did he say?

" nothing,didn't even look "

A few minutes later....runner comes out and moves Gelendenning onto Wilson who hardly gets another kick..North come back and win!!

Game over..Benny leans across as coach descends..

" good move with Glenndenning"

" what did he say?"

" nothing ,completely ignored me"

Benny dined out on that story whenever I was there to verify it

On Ology GSmith could remember the game and the 2nd half North comeback.

I am confident Goodwin in general knows far  better than me, but you haven't yet given one reason why he does on this occasion  and further to that you might have noted that I at least suggested the possibility that the coaching group may well be correct.

Anything else I can clarify for you.

I actuly used to think Weideman could be an asset myself 

19 hours ago, drysdale demon said:

Quite sure he will.

Well ,when Weideman is finishing up (at whichever club it is) I wonder if he will have had  almost AA full back year,( half year pre injury) a  50 goals with very few behinds tall forward year... to go with strong stand in the middle of the pack ,genuinely clunking, marks and elite running efforts and competent forward line pre Gawn rucking skills.

Injuries and the burden of a mostly crepe team has been Tom's game...apparently Weideman's only failing is above his shoulders and not being gifted enough games.

Anyway Goody was correct about Spargo and I was mistaken,so it's possible but not certain that he will get Weideman out of his current depth/ "potential " ranking.

The one thing that is " certain" is that Tom won't have said pre season that he was ready and determined to step up and be the main goal kicker like Weideman did about 3 years ago.!

Still waiting mate.

Tom has been a soldier rather than a marginal list clogger

43 minutes ago, Dr. Gonzo said:

Disagree, he's taken contested marks against Essendon and GWS.

I think you have missed my other contributions on these two.

Tom( past and present) is twice the value of Weideman and imo likely twice what Weideman ever will be.

But he's a confidence player ( it's written all over his face) and for every success in the last few years there is a dropped mark,a kick into the man on the mark and a missed goal when a few years back he NEVER missed and could run up and down the ground all day.

Injury and inconsistency don't play well with lack of confidence.OMac had similar issues.

I hope Tom  gets back in until Van Rooyen is ready to replace him but I doubt it, so ( imo) we are lumbered with Weideman's promising leads and nice kicking but rarely catching it in a pack, ,chasing or applying pressure 

Sigh..

Goody may well prove me wrong  of course and I don't dispute that Tom has plenty of games to make his case

5 hours ago, Dr. Gonzo said:

I like the decision to keep in Weid

He has been ok in his 3 games and needs some regular games to build consistency and synergy with his teammates. He has started clunking marks which should be the main aim at the moment. Do that and the rest will follow.

TMac may feel hard done by but can bang down the door in the 2s to demand a spot back. He was brilliant early last season but hasn't been to that level since probably the Port game last year.

Weideman is hardly "clunking "..he hasn't done that since the 3(?) In the finals 2018( ?)  ...so long ago I forget the detail.

Tom is an old man in this team and  probably plays a bit lost .

6 minutes ago, 640MD said:

All good points,  I do not disagree on any particular point, perhaps I look at Tmac with rose coloured glasses for one particular bullocking goal against  ? (west coast) in the goal square.  Weid could easily get to Tmac level, its all above his shoulders.

Tom has been on the edge of his end for some time now; a lot of his team stuff and contest actually seems to happen when he fails at what he is trying to do.

Weideman can certainly get to that level ; actually you'd think after being in the system for 6 years he'd be there now.

But he isn't and there is no sign he'll ever be Tom at his best.

When I see his name at CHF.I think......." Wayne Carey...not"!!  

All this talk about Weideman's                " head"...that's Tom's issue as well         ( other than the fact he can no longer run the opposition into the ground which Weideman will never do) and I figure he's pretty much cooked.

But I am happy he got a flag  , even with the junk time goal after the siren...which probably hurt a bit.

7 hours ago, David-Demon said:

There is no way T McD will get dropped.

And neither should he be given that at least two of his kicks into the forward hot spot were directed straight to Weid.

I think he dropped them both.