Undeeterred

Love that the App works 28 seconds before half time. FMD.

11 hours ago, Fork 'em said:

http://www.afl.com.au/video/2016-07-07/ebert-marked-out-of-match

Wow.

Didn't notice it the first time round, but certainly did that time. 

And did Ebert vomit or was it blood coming out of his mouth immediately afterwards? Whatever, he was clearly in big strife, and was definitely helped down by Mitchell.

I've said it before on these boards, Mitchell and Hodge are the two dirtiest players in the league, bar none. I absolutely loathe them.

4 minutes ago, leehow said:

He may be, but there was nothing wromNg with that. 

The problem is that most players might do that with the right intentions, but I have no doubt whatsoever that Hodge goes out of his way to hurt people.

Oh, and I am so F ing sick of watching Hawthorn and Richmond.

2 minutes ago, leehow said:

Nothing wrong with what Hodge did. Boak would have done exactly the same thing if he was in that situation. And I would expect Nathan Jones to do the same.

Hodge is a filthy, filthy barstad.

On 7/5/2016 at 5:04 PM, Petraccattack said:

 

I love at 1:00, Jesse Hogan standing on the goal line pumping his fists.

1 hour ago, CBDees said:

Let's see if we win first before you discount it. The sponsorship from the NT Government helped us at a low time and building relationships with the top ends indigenous communities may also bring benefits!

Yes, let's.

Yes, may.

But I'm not holding my breath on either front.

9 hours ago, CBDees said:

If you listened to Watts interview, the players actually enjoy the trip to Darwin. I don't think that it will adversely effect us more than any other team (whose players may actually NOT enjoy it)! If we win, we will be be taken seriously you can rest assured on that.

Just because the players enjoy it doesn't make it a good idea.

10 hours ago, stevethemanjordan said:

I'm sorry but these posts are just complete tripe.

More often than not, the reason that players like T-Mac are berated by supporters so much is because they possess bad habits which are on display regularly.

Supporters can tolerate certain players turning the ball over every now and again as Jones did on the weekend. Why do you think that is?

Because 90% of the time, they're consistently good in their skill level, decision making and impact of the contest.

Nobody can agree that T-Mac is consistently good in all facets of the game. He is not like Jones, consistently good in all facets of the game 90% of the time. 

In fact when it comes to disposing of the ball and decision making with ball in hand, he is a complete flip of the coin.

How is it that you're in utter confusion as to why supporters pull their hair out when witnessing these kinds of errors?

It's not that [censored] hard man. 

Tom McDonald tries his heart out and is super important to us at present because funnily enough, he is the most consistent out of all our KPB. Even if it's in only a couple of areas.

But that is far more of a worry than anything else and says an awful lot about the state of our defence. We're lucky that we can address this. And we will.

Tom McDonald would be a far better player with players who performed consistently well around him. Which is why we need two players who can take up the roles that Garland and Dunn have failed at taking up. However, he also needs to fix up a hugely problematic area of his game. Disposal and decision making.

No confusion here mate.

I get why he is frustrating.

But I hate when people just focus on that and ignore all the good things.

And yes, there may well be players brought in to help him out, who aren't as frustrating.. 

13 hours ago, jnrmac said:

No I don't. Really you are being petulant with that comment. I looked for everyone's mistakes and their good plays. Its pretty easy with Tom. And many of TMacs errors are under no pressure. he takes the wrong option or fluffs his kicks. On Sunday he kicked twice into the man on the mark. You learn not to do that in the U12s. 

Do you love TMac so much you ignore his obvious flaws?

As for Jones he has 3 B&Fs. I think his record speaks for itself. And nearly all of his possessions are under extreme pressure. If you really believe the comparisons between Jones and TMac are relevant you probably need to study the game more and learn about the different roles.

I agree - he makes mistakes. I also agree that his mistakes are frustrating, because a lot of the time they are really basic errors, and so stand out more.

And I'm not comparing Jones and McDonald - you must be able to see that. My point is that all players make mistakes it's one sided to just point out their errors (frustrating though they can be).

Equally, you can't ignore all the really excellent things McDonald does when making an assessment of how important he is for us.

39 minutes ago, ManDee said:

Sorry, humour must have been lost somewhere. Maybe the question mark required a squiggle.

Ha! Quite. 

Fair enough

5 minutes ago, Old Bear said:

My Mother in Law  72 yrs 5 ft 1ins

much better mark

Quality addition to the discussion. 

15 hours ago, jnrmac said:

Its not an exaggeration. And I doubt he is instructed to do what he is doing, He would be instructed to look inboard and look for the switch when safe to so, The problem is that his skill errors kill us. I watched him carefully yesterday and tonight on the replay. He'll do some good stuff and then completely stuff it up.

Q1

Dawes does a great tackle , kicks back to TMac and he fumbles the ball. T/over to Crows

TMac takes great mark from a kick in and then kicks into man on the mark

Q2

TMac does a blatant throw on members wing when we are running fwd T/over

TMac gets the ball with an open fwd line and kicks into man in the mark

Q3 

When we lost the game, TMac takes a great intercept mark , turns the ball over goal results

I have stopped watching and will resume but this game was not isolated. As I said, He has some great attributes but he has to clean up his brain farts and turnovers. Turnovers and poor composure cost us the game yesterday. We can't go anywhere with payers that continually do that. 

Do the same analysis with Nathan Jones. I bet you can find at least that many moments he stuffed up during the game.

Do you hate T-Mac so much that you'll sit through an entire replay watching out for his mistakes?

On 7/4/2016 at 1:16 PM, jnrmac said:

At least 3 and often 4 goals result. He will never be a key player unless he can get rid of that. He has brain fades and when he tries to switch play it's heart in mouth stuff.

No. He is a key player, whether you like it or not. Right now.

On 7/4/2016 at 11:33 AM, Fifty-5 said:

Tom mis-kicks a few times a match and because of where he plays it's looks and is costly.  But he sets up a lot of creative play too which gets overlooked by many here.  It's not decision making errors it's execution errors which he can continue to work on.  He's a terrific player and his intercept marking is great.

It's pure confirmation bias.

Nobody notices the absolutely brilliant things he does, or his reasonably frequent excellent kicks that get a player out on the run, or his consistently excellent marking and spoiling.

But as soon as he makes an error, every peanut in the crowd sees only that.

On 7/4/2016 at 8:35 AM, Viscount Cardwell said:

You obviously did not watch the game 

I'd question whether you did.

He absolutely did his job.

21 minutes ago, ManDee said:

Trade Dawes for Cloke? No, we have enough rubbish from Colonwood. 

That's not even close to what he was suggesting.

Lot of complete idiots on this thread.

14 hours ago, daisycutter said:

anyone who can stand upright 

Brilliant. Top points for hilarity.

59 minutes ago, ArtificialWisdom said:

Probably not but Hogan did that and unless I was completely messing up I was saying drop Dawes not Hogan. 

47 minutes ago, Gorgoroth said:

Hogan handballed it to Dawes who hit Garlett running into goal.

Hogan did another one similar. 

43 minutes ago, ArtificialWisdom said:

Actually yeah you are right but that handball was much more rudimentary and I think Spence could handle that one. The Hogan one not so much. 

Yep, you're absolutely right. It was Hogan over his head to Watts, and Dawes over the top to Garlett.

My mistake, and bad recollection.

Still think Spencer gives us absolutely nothing up forward.

1 hour ago, Die Hard Demon said:

we effectively played with a man down yesterday with him in the side... we lost the game at the selection table picking him to play.

Who would you replace him with? Give reasons.

6 hours ago, ArtificialWisdom said:

We need 3 talls because Watts plays in the ruck. Whenever watts goes in the middle that leaves hogan alone and he cant do it alone. Dawes only use is that Adelaide had to stand someone next to him.

I know people thing its batshit crazy to play Spencer and Gawn together but I look at our forwardline and think to myself "Is putting a 2m Spencer in at FF really going to hurt us that much?" Cant be any worse than Dawes. Nobody has ever faulted Spencer's effort and he'll provide us a reliable contest when forward so why not? Get Hogan to CHF where he becomes a real threat rather than sitting him in the square. Free watts up to stay out of the ruck (despite him being servicable there recently). Watts and Hogan are gaining chemistry every week and I would look capatalise on that. 

Spencer wouldn't be able to handball out of a pack, over his head, to Watts running into an open goal, that's for sure.

58 minutes ago, rjay said:

Yes, but what's your solution?

The only thing you seem to be saying is keep the status quo, so we still have the problem.

Recognise that (1) there is no easy solution, (2) Dawes had one fairly average game, is often at least serviceable and does what we need him to do (3) we will just need to suck it up and wait for his replacements to come through and (4) Trengove ain't the answer.

36 minutes ago, rjay said:

I think we have one too few at the moment...I'm talking about changing the plan, lowering the eyes a bit and bringing in another target.

Hogan is being killed with opposition players dropping back onto him. Create some run and movement and use it.

Think we're in agreement about the problem, just not the solution

34 minutes ago, rjay said:

No it doesn't at all...if somethings not working you have to make changes.

Your point stands if you think we still have positional football.

Good coaches think outside the box. For example last year the dogs didn't use a ruckman because they thought Minson was no longer up to the level, this year Port have done the same thing.

If we don't have a big tall useful key forward then look at what other options we might have. Again the dogs have used Stringer and Dixon as there key forwards...Redpath is the tall.

We have Hogan and Watts, maybe time to run some more mobile players to cover the rest.

Sorry, but if you saw yesterday's game live, you'd realise that the absolute last thing we need is even fewer targets in the forward line to kick to.

Now, we might need better, but we don't need fewer.

We have Kennedy, Harmes, Kent, van den Berg and Garlett running around crumbing in the forward line. Trengove doesn't add a thing to that mix.