Posts posted by Macca
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First of all we need to be switched on and highly motivated
Then we have to share the ball with minimum long bombs forward
Forwards need to play in front and give multiple leads
Kick straight for goal
Defensively we need to cut off and curtail Adelaide's offense. Our defence needs to play as a team within the team
Recapture our harder edge
Win the clearances, use the corridor and go direct
Haha! Once upon a time we could do all of the above so fingers crossed
Dees by 1 point
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The figures talked about in the link below (The $1.5Million - $2Million payout for Goodwin) does not include the 75% luxury tax which would be applied up to $1Million for exceeding the soft cap limit (currently $7.7Million)
And most, if not all the clubs spend close to 100% of their soft cap
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6 minutes ago, YesitwasaWin4theAges said: In my eyes as I see it every established player bar Kozzie, Disco, Gawn, McVee, Bowser, Windsor, Langford, Lindsay, Andy Moniz-Wakefield and any other promising player are on the table for a trade.
I agree. Goodwin will almost certainly be coaching next year so we are therefore compelled to give the bloke a group of players who are (first of all) going to be able to listen to simple instructions. And then act on those instructions
We need to be ultra aggressive as our current list contains too many players who aren't going to be part of our next premiership
Too many stale and unmotivated types with horrible disposal skills
Time to slash & burn
And if we go all-out at the trade table there's no reason why we can't bring in experienced players as well as young prospects via the draft
We might end up paying part salaries for departed players but we'll create space in the salary cap and create list spots
But I'm not sure the club realises that we are at crisis point
Another option is to sack* the coach and overhaul the list with a new coach or ... sack the coach and keep the same sort of list *with a new coach)
But keeping the coach and keeping the current list intact will mean we are treading water and effectively going backwards
*Sacking the coach right now is financially problematical. i.e. ... it's going to cost too much (in 2025)
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Petracca, Oliver & Viney not being able to adapt to playing a modern style just about sums things up
What should have happened with these 3 is they get told about the new game plan once ... and then all 3 get on with the new plan without having to be told again
But the problem is that our good players lack football IQ. By contrast, players such as Pendlebury, Sidebottom, Dangerfield, Neale & McCluggage can do on-field coaching and therefore the work of the coach
The Lever/May generalship down back is no more as well. Our team within the team (the defence) just isn't what it was
Forget the forward line, that area for us is a shambles
Midfield? Gawn is no longer the ruck general he once was. Still a top player but he's on the decline
Our midfielders just waste their disposals and avoid contact. Once stellar, now bog ordinary
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Most (if not all) of our onballers are avoiding contact and the tell-tale signs are the rushed kicks forward
What sort of an example is that showing to the new younger players? The thinking would be that why should players put their bodies on the line if they're teammates won't do it
Our forwards refuse to play in front and are constantly looking for the cheap one out the back
That's why Goodwin keeps dropping JVR, Fritsch, AJ, Jeffo etc etc. Melksham as well at least once this year
We've got a much bigger player personnel issue than a coaching issue
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1 hour ago, Superunknown said: ****house football, kicking and effort in some cases
Whether the cause is player coach or both, the outcome it clear?
Yes but those who are pointing at the membership drop-off are apportioning the blame on Goodwin alone
Not a word about the poor efforts from the players. And that includes the players cosying up to the Collingwood players not long after Gus was king hit and forced to retire
The players look like they have given up. Apart from Gawn, all our better players have been bog average
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5 minutes ago, rjay said: Memory is not great 'Macca' but I think Goody was a bit more than a nuts and bolts footballer, nice left footer...
Yeah ok, fair enough
It's more so McRae who was neat, precise and nearly always found a target with 20-30 metre kicks. Super efficient
Goodwin was also a rugged type who went hard at the ball. So contested possessions and contest work has been our fortè (not so much this season)
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1 hour ago, Bombay Airconditioning said: During Collingwood’s first qtr and half of the second they had some really ordinary disposal, this is no coincidence as this is about how long Carlton’s pressure lasted. They are definitely up there for teams running to space / creating space but GWS take the mantle for being the number one kicking team (I don’t look at stats very much, purely from what I’ve watched). Collingwood’s style at times resembles a mad / frantic play on at all costs style (Bulldogs are the same) which has the opposition feeling like they’re constantly under pressure. Obviously helps having some dangerous fwds to kick to helps but more opportunities are being created this way. GWS are poetry in motion, their ability to turn defence into attack and move the ball from one end of the ground to the other almost seems effortless at times. Think it was the third qtr last night when Elliot kick two goals in a row. The second of those Pies won the centre clearance and kicked to Elliot leading at the ball carrier, he marked and goaled. To me, whilst being a good passage of play this is just football basics done well. We win plenty of clearance but rather than kick long, low and direct we as everyone knows just throw the footy on the boot and bomb it long into a fwd line full of either stationary fwds.
We get plenty of the ball but are inefficient
The Pies can often get less of the ball but are very efficient
Both teams reflect their coaches a bit. Goodwin - Nuts & Bolts approach
McRae - precise & efficient as a footballer
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2 hours ago, jackaub said: in one sentence pl outline our plan in action to achieve our outcome
new management may not accept the plan
and the cost in memberships and lost sponsors is how much? The cost of devaluation of the playing group is how much?
Cost of coach while significant, the total cots is what will affect the club for years ton come
The members might return if we overhaul the list and start being competitive again
There's an assumption that the drop-off in members is entirely Goodwin related
In my view it's because the players couldn't give a yelp
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3 minutes ago, GS_1905 said: And that is what Goody is trying to find. Kudos to him for trying but I think the fractures in this list are too much to overcome. We were able to put aside the egos for a year or two and it worked. There is a lack of trust in a football sense.
Apart from all the backslapping when we score a goal, we just don't play and look like a happy & united team
There is a onfield disconnect and it's not just about the mids to forwards connect (the lack of)
But the mids to forwards disconnect (which is now into it's 4th year) is a tell-tale sign of the overall disconnect
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Collingwood's teamwork is second to none
All their players look for a teammate as a default move. Total team
Constantly running to space or creating space with pinpoint kicks and handpasses
They make our team look like rank amateurs
Mind you, our players don't have the skillset to play such a style. Sigh
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Just now, Nietaphart said: Either way, it’s time for some change.
It certainly is time for change
But I'm concerned that the club doesn't know where it is at (in the whole scheme of things)
If this was Goodwin's last season then that could be one major change
As for the players, move any player on who can't adhere to the modern style of playing
Remember when Adelaide moved on McGuiness, McDermott and a couple of other former good players before Blight walked in the door?
That's the sort of thing we need to do
Clear the decks and bring in the new coach in a succession plan (2026) Pay him a nominal amount and make him in charge of the offense (get rid of Chaplin)
Jones can go as well as he overseas our mids butchering the ball
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Just now, Nietaphart said: I am not assuming you are a Goodwin supporter, but I am looking at a solution focussed way to this situation. The club has leverage to our current situation. If that means moving on Oliver and others, so be it.
What club would want to pay full whack for our potential discards?
Moving on Petracca, Viney & Oliver would be chiefly a mass salary dump. We wouldn't be getting much back in return and we'd still be up for sizeable amounts of their salaries
Ultimately, we're probably better off trying to turn all 3 around
As it stands right now, all 3 could be sent back to Casey until they learn how to kick to position properly. I'm tired of watching all 3 butcher the ball. Right now, they offer no value
Matchwinners? That ship has sailed
Our only A grade player these days is Gawn and he's losing his leap
The list is in a real mess and needs an overhaul
Some will argue that having so many good players playing well below their best is the fault of the coach
My view is that it's the players fault
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2 minutes ago, Nietaphart said: Goodwin’s contract maybe water-tight, but there are people out there who would give their left nut to coach an AFL team Macca. The club is not hamstrung in making change. They can provide opportunities to a new coach who can reinvigorate the club and the list.
What I'm looking for here is a level of fairness that should be applied
The players are lazy and they are loafing on the job. And getting well paid to boot
For instance, Oliver's contract should have been torn up at the end of 2023 for breach of contract. No sentiment, there's the door
We need to overhaul the list otherwise we're in for 5 more years of miserable losses (regardless of who is the coach)
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8 minutes ago, Superunknown said: unless everyone knows the annual salary
The comment was not directed at you in particular... it's nothing personal but if people have bothered to read the thread they'd know that it would be a costly exercise to sack Goodwin
Back through the thread there's been numerous posts with links to how much it would cost the club to pay Goodwin out
Through the media etc as well. The notion of us sacking Goodwin has in large part been put to bed as it's going to cost the club too much money to do so
Go back a couple of months on this thread and all the info is there to see. In fact, what myself and others have been saying about the payout has already been said numerous times previously
Fact is I'm just here repeating myself
It's been reported that Goodwin is on a water-tight contract and that he is on at least $1Million per season ... and the FD tax is a very real thing
It's simple mathematics, not at all complicated
Much like the player salary cap, clubs can't exceed the FD spend (mainly the coaching) ... if they do they incur a 75% tax for every dollar up to $1Million (in any given season)
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36 minutes ago, kurtneverdied said: I'm not expert on AFL compensation but wouldn't it be wiser to not risk these mega contracts and just get some decent compo if they did go?
Trading a top player out early is also a way of replenishing the list with top quality youth (with the cache of picks coming back)
Frees up cap space if a club wants to land a particular player for a particular position
For instance, we could have traded out one of our mids 3 or 4 years ago and then chased hard for a decent KPF
In other sports worldwide, players are often viewed as commodities. In our sport, we are often quite attached to our players
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4 hours ago, layzie said: And this is why I had some questions about the Kozzie contract (despite the fact that he's probably the first that you would give this contract to right now). We've given out some mega deals lately and that extends to players like Jack Viney who needed needed a solid deal to commit.
I felt that people looked at this with the belief that our list was set and ready to go again for years to come. I don't believe it is.
We have a reasonable nucleus and many areas covered but we have some glaring holes and some areas covered for now but no succession plan at all. It's not like 4 or 5 years ago when keeping the gang together was all we needed to focus on, we need space there to be ready to throw at any out of contract player that can possibly help us, especially with compromised drafts coming up in future years.
Big calls need to be made now and this is what happens when you back yourself into a corner with big contracts.
Yep, handing out the big contracts is always risky
But that's the era we've entered
18 minutes ago, picket fence said: Wont annoy me and others as I have said if he coaches next year I WON'T be putting my hard earned into a membership, simple as that!
Pour yourself a Double Jack, picket!😁
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1 minute ago, beelzebub said: Well I'll make a promise Macca. It will bring joy to many i have no doubt.
If Goodwin is coaching next year . I.e if he isn't sacked at this seasons end or there about, I will refrain from even a single post til the end of H/a '26.
There will be no interest or care on my part . It will be a similar malaise. It will be a waste of a year and I've better things to see and do than watch 24/25 repeat.
Your choice, bub
I'll ride it out as it's club first and individuals a long way behind (Players, Coaches, Administrators, President, CEO etc)
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1 minute ago, Superunknown said: Why would we have to pay 1M for this season when the year is half over? Is it because there is a failure to complete ALL of the contract this year (to 23:59::99 on 31/12/2025)?
Not a commercial/contract lawyer, so a serious question
It would be more like $500k to $600k this year plus up to $1.2Million next year plus the FD Tax 75% or $$750k
I thought everyone knew about the potential payout.
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16 minutes ago, old dee said: So we rinse and repeat 2024 and 2025 Macca that is the most depressing thing I have heard this year. I think I will go back to bed and pull the Donna over my head. Come and get me when the nightmare is over.
And just to rub it in we're stuck with at least 6 players on medium to big long term contracts who are past their best (or well past their best)
For what it is worth, if Goodwin was only contracted for this season then I'd be probably advocating a change at the top
But a huge payout figure in the $Millions? No, we have to ride it out. Contracts are contracts and no one walks away from big money (generally)
Ange Postecoglou stood firm and didn't quit or walk away ... result? Close on $10Million pay out
POSTGAME: Rd 17 vs Adelaide
in Melbourne Demons
Poor kicking for goal cost us the win (again)
We should have put the game away. Crows were always going to come at us but the buffer wasn't big enough
Then the heads dropped and that was that