TheoX

Maybe Jetta can play as a ruckman too.

Read the above - are you confident who the best talent is at number 3 ?

No i'm not personally, but I'm confident our recruting staff will work it out. They're no Barry Prendergasts.

I've said a handful of times that I'd take Brayshaw & Lever.

Failing that, I think I'd consider taking De Goey.

But I was naming mids that I'd take ahead of McCartin, as I was asked to.

So you want us to draft a safer bet in a midfielder, rather than just the best talent at #3, yet your preference is Lever, a key defender who has never played in the midfield and is coming off a knee reconstruction? Make up your mind.

I have watched him play aswell.

He isn't fast. Good at getting those first couple of steps off his man but definitely not fast.

So would you say he's fast off the mark then? That's the kind of 'fast' you probably want a leading forward to have isn't it?

Hahaha all the experts say so...

I think Lever will possibly be the best of the lot.

Yeah you keep saying so but not why you think he'll be the best. What's so funny about everyone saying McCartin's fast? He is.These are people who have actually watched him play.

He's good. A solid prospect as a KPF.

Maybe I'd be happy with him as a pick 15-20.

But a KPF is a luxury, not a necessity, and I think there are better prospects available.

He's not as fast as I'd like, doesn't have an exceptional tank or workrate, is a horribly average kick, and I think lacks a bit of agility.

He's a brute and will take a lot of contested marks. I don't know if he'll cover enough ground to be as good as we'd like.

I don't see much difference between him and Levi Casboult.

Could have been a champion if born 25 years earlier.

McCartin's quick, and all the experts say so. Why do you like Lever who we know is slow as [censored]?

DS: Picks 2 and 3 Josh, how many players are you seriously looking at for those positions?

JM: Down to 3 or 4 by now

MA: Brayshaw goes alright Josh

JM: He'd be one of the 3 or 4

Didn't say much on Petracca. Speculates about talls and inside midfielder, or two mids, or two talls.

MA: Paddy McCartin he'd look pretty good

JM: You're trying to get all 4 out of me. McCartin, Petracca, Brayshaw and Wright are around the mark.

I'd say at this stage they know Petracca is going at pick 1. They know they are going for Brayshaw. It will come down to McCartin, Wright and maybe Lever as a smokey that they are keeping under wraps. Really I don't think we learnt anything knew.

Keeping Lever under wraps? We don't need to keep him under wraps, we have pick 2 and 3, and StKilda aren't taking him.

Wouldn't be the bombers would it?

Surely if they wanted him, Port would've given him up as steak knives in the Ryder deal

Is he not a delisted FA? What's stopping any club from signing him?

I think it's because he was offered a contract and he rejected it.

can't you do that for any team?

Exactly, any team could've had Fyfe, Gray or Tippett.

And Nicnat is a spud, wouldn't want him in our side.

If he was offered a contract by Port he's probably not as a big a dud as all the delistees on offer.

mccartin looks like a gun. He seems to have quite a large body and is a brilliant mark. he will relieve some pressure of hogan as well. Brayshaw seems like a solid inside mid. lever on the other hand seems like a risky pick. From watching his highlights he has good pace but a shocking kick.

Lever looks to have very average pace from the highlights, good agility though.

But they were willing to downgrade the pick in a deal with GWS for pick 3, which in their mind would have allowed them to still get McCartin (assuming we would have taken Brayshaw), but when we got pick 3 and we had no currency (excess mids) for them to downgrade with, coupled with us flagging our interest in Mccartin, I think Saints were spooked into holding on to pick 1.

We forced Saints into holding onto 1 and forcing them to chose between McCartin or someone else. We took their ability to downgrade and still get McCartin away from them lol. Now they're stuck with a choice and I have a feeling not everyone was on the same page hence Pelchin leaving. I couldn't tip who they're going to end up with and still feel they're selling themselves short if they don't jump at a KPF right now while Roo is still with them.

We threw a major spanner in their works and it's brilliiant lol

Well they screwed us by forcing us to trade 23 for Frost.

Un like the Dees who did the same right?

??? Who are we paying a million a year for 7 odd years?

Isn"t Boyd there to fix That. It appears that they have had a good strategy and executed it well

Wouldn't think paying 10% of the salary cap to one player is a great strategy.

Hopefully we get Petracca and Brayshaw, otherwise Brayshaw and McCartin.

Would have liked it to have been Blease but he's a goner.

Raid Geelong: Burbury, Schroder, Stringer.

Yeah they'll be really [censored] off that we're 'raiding' their delistees.

Serious knee issues predraft really put the clamps on a young Joel Selwood's career...

Lever has had a knee reconstruction, Selwood had some cartilage removed, you can't compare the two.

'Not training for 8 months' - TheoX

Like I said he's in full training now. If he didn't train for 8 months, he's been training for ~4 now. Not training doesn't mean he's sitting on the couch non weight bearing stmj.

Yes I know for a fact that serious knee injuries mean it can easily take longer than 12 months to get back to your top running speed. Youre absolutely wrong saying that he should have recovered most of his speed and endurance after nearly 12 months. Depending on the severity of the knee injury. You do know that in some cases you can't do weight bearing exercises for months? Meaning building up power, strength, endurance and flexibility in the surrounding muscles is a slow and delicate process for anyone with the desire to get back to performing at their best.

You're calling him slow based on a sprint test he did post knee injury and what would still be a recovery phase. The reason he completed some of the combine testing was to show how diligent he has been with his recovery and to increase his chances of getting drafted.

Youre looking at that isolated sprint test and calling him slow based off that. Which is not the full story as I've said.

If you speak to others who have seen him play post knee injury, or even have a look at his highlights reel, you'll see quite simply that he isn't slow.

As an aspiring professional spoertperson, he would have been doing some form of weight bearing exercises after a few weeks post op, I'd hate to think any rehab program for an ACL reco would have him NWB for "months". He would also have been doing sprinting training for months now, unless he's had setbacks. He's 12 months post-op. We'll have to agree to disagree.

And yet Trengove had a time under 3.00 seconds and Watts had one around 2.82s. 20m sprint times can be deceptive.

Hartung, who is quick, recorded a similar time in the 20m sprint to Lever. Make of that what you will.

Yeah, remember back to Trengove pre navicular injuries though, he had at least a bit of toe off the mark, unlike the last 2-3 years. Watts still shows his pace during games, I don't think anyone would or could call him slow, he just doesn't use it to its full effect. Haven't seen anything of Hartung so can't comment.

I disagree and that testing is not the full story.

His highlights clearly show that he has a turn of speed.

The injury has clearly had an effect on his speed and endurance which is evidenced by his test results but that doesn't mean is slow and if that's what you go by when determining draftees attributes then you're missing the bigger picture.

Of course it's not the full story, but you don't know for a fact that the injury's effected his speed and endurance, do you have any testing results from before the injury? Those tests are as objective as you can get, and he should have recovered most of the speed and endurance he possessed previously after nearly 12 months of rehab. Unless he's a freak like Mitchell, the lack of speed will probably be an issue at AFL level. Lack of pace is not a good attribute for a KPB at AFL level and I hope we're not going to drat him in hte hope he may become a midfielder, because he's hardly played there in his junior career from what I can tell.

His speed will come back with further training. He tested after his knee injury. Obviously speed and endurance will be down until he hits his straps.

He did his knee last December I think it was, He has been cleared to fully train and would be playing if it were during the season now. He's done his rehab. He's just slow.

Judd is another. (Even though he was still pick 3).

I just don't see how we could go wrong in picking a 194 cm footballer with kicking skills, aggression, speed, ability in the air etc, a captain, a professional attitude...

Build him a tank and a body and groom him as a mid.

Happy days.

3.2sec for a 20m sprint ain't exactly speedy. In fact, it's unbelievably slow.

Brayshaw at 2, McCartin at 3 please (unless Petracca miraculously comes our way).

Really hope we don't take Lever, we don't need another key back after landing Frost, especially one who is slow as a wet week and coming off a knee reco.