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At one point I was a bit concerned about how he was travelling. I think Wellman's point regarding McDonald's work off the ball is a good one - Junior works hard to block and tackle etc. Indeed.

Not many people are working with internet on a Saturday avo/night. If he was at work I imagine this would have occurred to him. It\'d probably be fairly easy to narrow it down, yes. The OP said he was a frequent poster on here. It\'s clear he created a new account - and refreshed his IP - so this alias wasn\'t linked to his \'regular\' account. This made it pretty obvious it was a troll. First, why would we put news up on a Sat night? Second, it was bait to keep people in the thread for another couple of hours.

Use an existing thread.

Haha :D

Indeed. Yeah, Blease will be pretty exciting..!

We're definitely in the same boat with regards where we want to go. As I said, I don\'t employ AFL coaches so I\'m not sure how they\'re judged, but I\'m sure it\'s more detailed than the things we\'ve been talking about. I\'m sure there are intangibles there too. How have we been judging him so far? Given the talk from all management, Stynes down, it hasn\'t been on wins. Around 50% more knowledge on what we\'d have now. Flippant, I know I think this is the strongest argument for recontracting DB now. However, as I\'ve said, I disagree that a win-at-all-costs approach would be in Bailey\'s self-interest. First, he simply doesn\'t have the cattle to win many games. Second, I doubt the Club would be impressed by Bailey tossing out the plan and started putting himself first. EDIT: The forum software has broken he above part of the post What are they for 2011? Again with the posturing that it\'s either one now or three then..! Have you looked at our list? What you'd call our stars - which weren't AFL stars IMO - were all either injured and/or past it and all our reasonable but not particularly good players were culled. Examples from the former group include players like White, Neitz, Yze and from the latter include players like Brown, Godfrey and Holland. This left a heap of kids and we've been getting younger ever year. Conversely, most other sides have a few quality older players they can use while they rebuild. This just seems like an argument that could be applied to any sort of KPI judgement, and could thus be applied to a scenario where we've recontracted DB for one extra year and then have to judge him again at the end of 2011... I haven't made this case but it seems to me there's a distinction between your scenario (oh no the Herald Sun is pressuring us after a poor start to the season) and getting the opinion of industry experts (don't we, and other Clubs, call on industry experts to help select a Coach?).

Indeed. Jamar for 8 or 9 is very fair, although we'd then want to find a mature ruck somewhere. I think Rivers is over-rated atm and I thought Westhoff was promising, although I haven't seen much of him others say he's not much good. According to an article I read, Everitt pinch-hit in the ruck for one game and this has helped his prospects with other Clubs. I thought he was a tall-but-not-KP defender. In that case we might feel Rivers has less value to us than he otherwise might.

Well said.

Hindsight's a wonderful thing. Take him back now? No thanks.

If he doesn't stick to the plan he doesn't get recontracted - I reckon that's incentive enough. I'm well aware that next year's likely to be a tough one. I've been pouring cold water on the idea that we're in for a sudden and dramatic rise up the ladder, and this was before we lost McLean. I don't know that there's ever conclusive evidence but there's certainly going to be more evidence after three years than there is two, isn't there? You get to know an employee better with every year that they work for you, surely? Coming into this year I didn't think our wins/losses would necessarily show our improvement, but I felt we would and had to improve and this would be reflected in our percentage. I believe it has been. I'm not sure about KPIs for coaches, but wins/losses (and percentage) are pretty simplistic. I don't employee AFL coaches but I imagine those that do have a better idea. I'll have a think about it, but I'm open to suggestions - what do you think? However, I think this is the wrong way around. The 'burden of proof' should be those pushing for the recontract now. Otherwise what's the rush? The main reason I've seen put forward is that we fear external pressure if Melbourne are struggling halfway through the season. If we're going to have little conclusive evidence after three years it strikes me that we'll have less now. To me, external pressure isn't a very convincing reason to recontract someone. The only other reason I can think of is fear of losing DB. How many Clubs are going to be circling?

Bell's a frustrating player. From the start his awareness has killed him. Some have defended him, citing pace, but it doesn't help if you can't use it. I would have been interested to see him play forward (perhaps as a defensive forward), given that's where he played junior footy, but I think it's rather academic now. Played the odd good game, including 'that match' vs Adelaide, but I agree with rpfc.

There's no reason it would 'most likely' be three. In fact, I think it's more likely to be 2. Of course, it suits your argument to portray the choice as either a one-year extension now or a three-year extension later.

Your assessment might be right but the quote indicates that someone pulled him up at 15.5, rather than he pulled up at 15.5: "It is a pity we won't see him do his beep test but he did one up here when he was at the AIS and he had to be pulled up at 15.5," Sheehan said. Jetta's being touted as a top 15 pick, and perhaps as high as #7 according to the aforementioned article. While McKenzie's got a good wrap from CC, if McKenzie had been overlooked last year I doubt he would warrant a first-round pick in 2009. The guy doesn't get paid to know about draftees - I reckon this is a bit harsh. Did you read the article? Without further ado, the thougths of BP: ''We drove away. I was busy working through all our picks, and Lewis was a kid from Bunbury I'd never seen play. Then the start of the year came along, he started dominating for Swan District seniors, and I said to John: 'He was sitting right in front of us! We could have rookie listed him at No. 70!' ''So we watched him play, and he's obviously lightning quick and got a lot of talent. At that point, it was probably one of those things where you're so busy sorting through the draft, that you're not really looking for the smoky."

45, do you happen to have Wheels' tackle on Akermanis that virtually caused Aker to do an impromptu handstand as he was propelled into the air by Whelan?

Straight swap Ball for Bartram. No? Okay, nevermind then. From memory he wanted us compensated, yes.

It's not jayceebee's fault - someone sabotaged his keyboard I managed to get hold of a security camera* still of the incident: *can't blame the criminal for not expecting a security camera just a metre from the keyboard..!

Three tumours? Ah no. Tough break for Stynes and his family.

Probably because many don't agree that Petterd's a good kick and has plenty of upside. Maric hasn't shown much but he's also younger than Petterd. The Champion Data stats indicate he's a very good kick.

Your top two for each part of the ground looks about right, 45. Moloney's 'hard body' will be important. The key defenders will be more important - Warnock and Frawley. IMO Garland would also be more important if he was fit (and didn't get moved forward).

Icke said that "at this stage, what we've agreed on will make the deal happen" so I'm confident it could get over the line without it. Perhaps he has his eye on an uncontracted and unloved player..?

...and all other things being equal, if you could make the same money closer to home why wouldn't you?

One doesn't follow from the other. First, this assumes that Bailey would disregard the plan he and others have put in place. I feel this is possible but not probable. If Bailey went down this path I think he's the wrong man for the job. Second, this assumes that it would be in Bailey's self-interest to deviate from the plan. I don't believe he will or would only be judged on wins and losses. In fact, I contend that selfish coaching would not help but hamper his chances of a contract extension. If selfish coaching would assist his contract extension chances then we need new management. That said, it's not like Bailey could dispense with the youth policy in any significant way - the only older players we have are likely to be best 22 (McDonald's our captain, Bruce and Green are still playing decent footy).

I don't think we'll perform particularly well but win/loss is hardly the only way to judge a Coach and another year will give us a much more informed decision.

Really disappointing that he missed this year, but if he was going to miss a year then 2009 was probably the one to miss.