Adam The God

2 hours ago, demoncat said:

Reports now coming out that Suns may be open to trading pick 6 with clubs looking to get up the draft order

If Suns are only willing to offer pick 7 (and change), where does that leave us with Trac?

No Melbourne supporter is going to accept that being the heart of the deal for him

Nor are the players. You've gotta sell this to the playing group first and foremost.

Some may not like Trac, but they know without him and some first rounders in this year's draft, next year we're nowhere near.

1 hour ago, dazzledavey36 said:

From Fox Footy article.

CHRISTIAN PETRACCA TO GOLD COAST

That leads us into the Suns’ most important move — operation land Petracca.

It mightn’t be that easy though, for Melbourne would want to be well compensated for the contracted four-time All-Australian.

But his nomination to head north instead of Adelaide is a win for Melbourne given Gold Coast’s surplus of assets including three-first round picks — potentially four if it gets St Kilda’s Pick 7 for Sam Flanders.

The first port of call for the Demons would be Bailey Humphrey, as unlikely as that would be.

For the Suns have said Humphrey won’t be traded, despite the 21-year old meeting with Melbourne officials and clearly being open to a return to Victoria with multiple clubs circling.

Let’s just pretend Humphrey isn’t available, for then it becomes a question of which party has to give up more (for the record, we’d say Melbourne).

That would make Gold Coast’s Pick 7 it gets for Flanders the centrepiece of a deal with the Demons.

Melbourne, who doesn’t currently have a first-round pick, would want another first rounder thrown in on top of that.

The Suns would be prepared to do that — and say, give up pick 14 or 17 — if it meant their remaining capital was enough to secure their academy players.

Or if beyond the two highest rated of those academy prospects, Zeke Uwland and Dylan Patterson, if Gold Coast was prepared to forgo one or more of the others.

At the end of the day, it’s still a much cheaper cost than Charlie Curnow and the Suns should get Ugle-Hagan for very little, if anything.

What gets deal done

-Melbourne receives Pick 7, Pick 17

-Gold Coast receives Christian Petracca, Pick 26

A laughable outcome. No way this happens. Bookmark it.

1 hour ago, Gator said:

I understand your view, but if Humphrey officially declares he wants to come back to Victoria then he's a chance to be involved. It really depends on how willing he is to declare his homeward intentions. If he's wishy washy then I agree it won't happen.

It's Melbourne or he stays at the Suns. We're the only ones with capital (Trac) to get a deal done.

And Humphrey doesn't meet Melbourne without the Suns' blessing or without some interest in joining the MFC.

11 minutes ago, adonski said:

We can acquire 2025 picks and trade them for 2026 picks

It's very unlikely anyone is giving up 2026 picks for 2025. A weaker shallower draft. The only way it might happen is one of the academy teams needs multiple first rounders this year, but surely they've already got their picks lined up, and would have academy kids coming through next year too.

I'm with @old55 . It's Humphrey for Trac or Trac stays. I think it's unlikely Trac nominates the Suns unless they've told him they'll get him over the line.

At this point, it seems like posturing from the Suns on Humphrey. The Suns probably don't want to signal to the market that they're willing to give up talent like Humphrey so easily, but Trac is in their window, Humphrey is maybe a few years off peak and will be replaced by Trac.

The thing the Suns have is an incredible academy that keeps churning out multiple top 10 players every draft. Even landing Trac, they'll soon be able to replace Humphrey with another academy kid.

Then there's Humphrey's flight risk anyway, where the Suns potentially get less back than Trac for him when his current contract is up.

The wild card in this is Trac's new manager is a bit green when it comes to this stuff and perhaps a CPM might have told him not to officially nominate, but just have an agreement to come if the Humphrey trade or similar can be struck.

I think we're in the box seat or Trac plays for us next year.

12 hours ago, praha said:

Roos was a teacher, he put his arm around blokes. Yes he was firm and he held players to account but he was also quite zen. Confident is a given.

Goodwin was also quite tempered. I don't think he held players to account enough. And when he started to (ie. Lever this year) it came as a shock and fractured the playing group.

I guess what I am saying is that King is coming in and speaking like as if he's the principal of a school for troubled youths.

There is a tough balancing act, maybe King has been briefed that he needs to be a hard [censored]? I don't know. It might explain dumping May and Oliver, I am not massively hurt by that, but collectively with everything it does seem a little like we are losing control.

The rewriting of history post Goody's sacking is hilarious. Goody wasn't tempered. He went and shot Watts and Hogan. Both fan favourites.

Did he back in the same players for too long? Probably, but the dross that has been written about him recently is fantasy land nonsense.

Also, you're completely wrong about Roos too. He wasn't a put his arm around guys coach. He was a Ross Lyon, Al Clarkson, Chris Scott type.

He basically let his assistants run the show during the week and he'd do match day and press conferences. If you weren't in the 22, he wouldn't speak to you.

Conversely, Goody was very hands on and would be across the playing group. This is the McRae, Mitchell and Fagan approach apparently as well. It's why some of the players couldn't stand Roos and couldn't wait to play under Goody.

11 minutes ago, Temporarily Hopeful Demon said:

We were NOT a touch away from competing again. Sure, we beat Brisbane at home but we then proceeded to have only three wins for the rest of the year, two of which were against the worst teams of the decade to date. And our loss against St Kilda late in the year exposed how desperate we were for a new voice. Goodwin made numerous bad decisions that day (using Spargo as a sub, playing Petty forward, and putting Melksham and Pickett on the bench in the last quarter). It was obvious at that point that he was finished. He did plenty of good for the team but he had also well and truly overstayed his welcome.

As for players "marching out" when King comes in, Oliver has been a huge problem for this club for two years and King made the right move taking a tough stance on him. His lack of professionalism has put a massive spotlight on the club for all the wrong reasons. And there's literally zero evidence to suggest that Mcvee's departure is to do with King, just like there was no evidence to suggest that the departure of Jackson was to do with Goodwin. It's also worth noting that Trac's intention to leave was already brewing last year, when King had no involvement in the club.

As Steven King said in his SEN interview the week, the modern game is about margins and as King said, we had more than a handful of losses by a kick.

So yes, we were a touch away.

But the team King looks like having will be quite different to the Trac and Clarry team of 2025.

3 minutes ago, dazzledavey36 said:

Isn't this exactly the kind of numbers most on here are wanting to throw at Humphrey.. lol

Midfielders win finals. That's Humphrey's ceiling.

8 minutes ago, dazzledavey36 said:

If they are BOG average then i would hate to know what ours is outside of Gawn and Kozzie.....

Ours has a much greater ceiling...

10 hours ago, dazzledavey36 said:

Watch them speed straight past us next year.

People can Criticise all they want, but they are building a solid list. Good young talent coming through whilst adding some much needed depth and experience.

Good on them i say.

You've gotta be kidding? Their list is BOG average. Outside of NWM, King and Sinclair (and the latter struggled as NMW took his gig), they've a very ordinary list. And now they've managed to bring in a bunch more inconsistent B graders on huge coin.

33 minutes ago, Bring-Back-Powell said:

Can see why Gold Coast would not trade Humphrey under any circumstances.

It would be the equivalent of us trying to acquire a high quality veteran in Cripps or Neale in exchange for Langford who has potential to be one of the best MFC players for the last 30 years. It would be a pointless and counter intuitive trade from the Suns IMO.

Whether we continue negotiations with Humphrey off the table remains to be seen, but I’m assuming it will.

Not really, because this comparison implies that our list is in the same spot as the Suns.

They have entered the premiership window. We are resetting for 2027-2028ish.

Trac helps Suns win next year. Humphrey has his mid and likely forward minutes reduced by Trac.

They let him go because it lands them Trac and it's not like the Suns don't continually have access to elite talent through their academy.

37 minutes ago, Ted Lasso said:

It becomes pretty relevent pretty quickly if he's playing AA footy next year.

we would all need to have a serious think about WTF the MFC is doing so wrong, and why we couldn't help him return to form but someone else could.

I'll watch with interest either way

Question is, is Clarry being shopped around because we can't get the best out of him or is it more of a cultural decision?

I think we probably are gambling on him never returning to AA form, but it feels more like a clearing of the deck.

39 minutes ago, mo64 said:

I agree that a handy player is more desirable than a 2nd rd pick, but the machinations of luring a decent GWS player needed to occur before King had the meeting with Clarry.

I don't believe that the decision to shop Clarry was solely King's. He's basically just walked through the door. The $700k pa we're paying would be a List Manager's decision, and something that was probably ratified by Guera and Green. Again, it's not a decision that's made on the spot after King's meeting with Clarry.

I don't have confidence in our List Manager to believe that we'll be adequately compensated for Clarry.

As I imply above, I think it's linked to our Trac trade and our (long) desire to land Humphrey.

11 hours ago, Redleg said:

I hope not.

2nd round and nothing else imo would see us paying very little of his contract.

If we are paying a chunk of his salary we are looking at 12.

Anyway we will know soon enough.

You can't just view the Clarry trade is isolation, you have to view the whole picture, which could be that we're able to offer someone like Humphrey a huge contravt by freeing up 700k+ from Clarry's pa wage.

23 hours ago, dazzledavey36 said:

Mate you dont deliberately force someone out and then demand a first round draft pick..

Doesn't work that way.

But by signalling we'll pay 700k pa, we are saying we want him out the door, but we'll pay this if we get something back. We're not getting a first rounder, but a player might be handy.

GWS have a lot of handy smalls. We need small forwards. I'd start there.

On 03/10/2025 at 16:30, WERRIDEE said:

Rubbish I'd take pick 12 and run. Oliver is cooked.

And yet you've had him in 43,567 best 22s you've churned out this year...

Suns won't trade us picks 6 and 7. They need one of them for academy kids.

So as has been said, it's Humphrey and 6 or 7, or Trac stays.

Looks like a superb kick, but can he win his own ball? Maybe, I've no idea, but certainly a beautiful kick. Looks like a more penetrating Salem ajd definitely has some Josh Kelly about him.

Destination club. 😉

5 hours ago, Ted Lasso said:

I would expect this will be announced today.

Good get mate.

25 minutes ago, Jaded No More said:

My guess is Richo. But I’m purely guessing. I have no confirmed intel.

Call it a gut feel.

Was Chaplin in the meeting where Goody was sacked that was then leaked to the media almost immediately? Pretty sure he wasn't...

Just now, wheaters31 said:

Did Humphrey train with us before he was drafted?

I'm pretty sure he did, hence the MFC shorts.

I tried to find this online somewhere but all I could find was "I think that I will be doing a little bit of extra midfield stuff at the end of training because I think the midfield coach (Steven King) likes me in the midfield as well."

https://archive.sen.com.au/news/2023/02/04/top-draftee-reveals-rival-clubs-late-poaching-effort-on-draft-night/index.html

10 minutes ago, Demon Time said:

Humphrey may have been a Dees fan growing up 👀

https://www.instagram.com/p/CSTKbuNFicQ/

Didn't he train with us?

53 minutes ago, RyanD said:

Why are people excited?

It's basically pick 10-11.

We won't get Humphrey.

Andrew Downer over here...

We won't get him with that attitude!

First domino falls. 👏

11 hours ago, Demon Forever said:

My mail Bailey Humphrey and sam Flanders to don the red and the blue next year to replace trac and oliver. $700k salary to be paid by the dees for oliver and trac salary to be completely absorbed by the suns. Apparent meeting this weekend bailey and dees staff.

$1m for Flanders and $1m for Bailey

Effectively saving $700k from oliver and trac which is why we are willing to pay a club $700k to take oliver

I wish!