MadAsHell

If the filth took on all of McDonald's contract, then I'd be happy for us to take on all of Treloar's contract for the first two years (length of Tom's contract). But for years 3-5 Collingwood should be forced to pay the money that's owed and we just cover what his base contract was supposed to be.

Pot calling the kettle black isn't it???

While I don't think he's necessarily a walk up start to solve our other wing position, he'd certainly improve the depth there and create competition for spots. Maybe we could get involved in the Cameron trade? GWS send Cameron and Pick 43 to Cats. Geelong send picks 13 & 15 to GWS with Narkle and a future 3rd rounder to Melbourne. We send Preuss to GWS.

This doesn't shock me at all, we need some mature ruck depth with Preuss leaving and there aren't many other cheap options out there. I mean there's Majak Daw, but he's a questionable character. Another option I think we should look at is Lewis Pierce who was delisted by St Kilda last year after they recruited Ryder. Still only 25 I think and showed some ability. As he was delisted last year we can still get him as a DFA.

https://www.melbournefc.com.au/news/549228/nietschke-suffers-second-acl-injury This confirms he'll be on the list. We may delist him and re-draft him on the rookie list, but he"ll still be here.

Have any of these people ever been to Geelong before????

FB: Lever, May, TBC HB: Hibberd, Tomlinson, Salem C: Langdon, Petracca, TBC HF: Melksham, Weideman, Harmes FF: Hunt, TBC, Pickett FOLL: Gawn, Oliver, Viney INT: Brayshaw, Fritsch, Jackson, Rivers Lots of water to go under the bridge yet. Ben Brown, Phillips, Polec, Treloar, Brodie Smith, Jack Higgins, Webster etc. Still too early for best 22's I'd suggest.

While I'm all for getting Brown and Polec in the one transaction, no way would I give up a future 1st rounder for them! McDonald to Essendon or Collingwood for a 3rd rounder and use that pick with Pick 23 to North for Brown and Polec is a bit more like it.

Not as disastrous as some make out, though I concede it does hurt sometimes. Quoting myself from the Trade Radio thread below. "And finally while I'll concede the Kennedy trade was a bust in isolation with us giving up Howe and Toumpas for Kennedy, Pick 29 and the pick we used for Hulett. We shouldn't forget that we used Pick 29 in a packaged deal with Gold Coast to move up the draft order to secure Clayton Oliver, so again it makes it hard to complain about that trade."

If he was 24 I'd be all for it. But at 29 and being in decline and a role player only I'd have to pass. I'd rather see us continue to get games into the likes of Pickett, Spargo, Chandler and Bedford instead as well as move Harmes into our forward set up.

So my guess is that we wont have divisions and it will just be 22 teams and a non even fixture with maybe a top 10 or top 12? You fix it so that each of the 14 clubs who aligned or direct reserves teams of AFL clubs will all always play eachother each season (takes up 13 games). Apsley and Southport you'd probably also play games against the other Qld teams and NSW teams as well (that gives 15 games to each of GWS, Syd, Bris and GC). The stand alone VFL teams will all always play eachother once (gives them 5 game each) as well as Apsley and Southport (suddenly up to 7). So going off a rough structure like that, of each of the 22 teams 16 games we have set matches for each: Brisbane, Gold Coast, Sydney & GWS 15 games each (will need 1 each against stand alone VFL teams). Casey, Sandringham, Carlton, Collingwood, Richmond, Essendon, Box Hill, North Melbourne, Geelong & Footscray 13 games each (will need 3 each against stand alone VFL or QAFL teams). Apsley & Southport 10 games each (will need 6 each against AFL reserves or AFL/VFL aligned teams). Port Melbourne, Williamstown, Werribee, Frankston, Coburg & Preston 7 games each (will need 9 games each against AFL reserves or AFL/VFL aligned teams).

It is, though Phillips is hardly the greatest kick either. Seems that over the last 5 years Phillips has a disposal efficiency of about 71.5% and Treloars is a tick over 68%, hardly polls apart. If we can land Treloar we should take it. Don't get me wrong, would be happy with Phillips, but would be happier with Treloar.

I wouldn't be surprised if Egan ends up with the gig or if they even go back to Plapp to tie in with their other responsibilities. Will be interesting to see.

Here's a conspiracy for you all. (And it's just that, no inside word or anything) Maybe we're the ones who have cooled since the new about Treloar broke and are now in talks to bring him across on a Tom McDonald trade and plan on playing him on a wing instead given his outside speed???

So first of all Corey Wagner wasn't traded in. He was taken in the rookie draft I'm pretty sure after his B&F season at Casey the year after being delisted by North. Balic cost us Pick 66 which Freo used to draft Tom North who never played a game. Nil all draw. Michie cost pick 56 which Freo used to draft Brady Grey who played 21 games, the same as Michie for us. Also worth noting we got Michie in Roos first year where he was looking for immediate help and depth for our midfield. I'd say at worst it's a nil all draw, if not having us slightly ahead. McKenna like Balic didn't play for us, but all we did to get him was a pick swap with GWS which we used to get Mitch Hannan and Dion Johnstone. GWS used the picks for Tiziani and Matt DeBoer. Maybe they came out slightly ahead, but barely I'd suggest. Bugg came as steak knives in a trade that saw us get the pick we used to draft Weideman. In exchange the 3 picks GWS got gave them Matthew Kennedy (now Carlton), Matthew Flynn (delisted) and they passed on the pick we gave them in the 60's. A comfortable win for us IMO. And finally while I'll concede the Kennedy trade was a bust in isolation with us giving up Howe and Toumpas for Kennedy, Pick 29 and the pick we used for Hulett. We shouldn't forget that we used Pick 29 in a packaged deal with Gold Coast to move up the draft order to secure Clayton Oliver, so again it makes it hard to complain about that trade. So out of those 6 players you mentioned, I'd argue that the overall picture of each of them coming to the club was a win. Bar Wagner who wasn't traded in.

Would take him for sure. Nibbler and a future 3rd rounder maybe?

I think he's referring to the likes of Hannan, Preuss, Oscar, Neal-Bullen etc as opposed to Harmes or Brayshaw. Enough of these types of players agree to move and then a more suitable spot position opens for Harmes, we keep our core together and we're the good guys in trading away other more expendable players for other opportunities.

I dare say thats likely nothing more than a fluff piece. If you can go back through all the phantom drafts and material from recruiters from 2009 and find more than 1 person who had Martin in the top 2 of that draft class I'd be surprised. Richmond probably say now they had him at 1 as they knew Scully & Trengove weren't going to be there.

This. Half forward is where he showed his skills in his first year on the rookie list at Casey. I remember watching him a number of times where he may of only had 12-14 touches and kicked 1 or 2 goals a game at most, but you could tell he had something. Move him to half forward where he can play ahead of the likes of Hannan, Vandenberg and Spargo and have a real impact. Let Petracca, Oliver, Viney and Brayshaw rotate through the midfield roles. Can always move Harmes in there if we pick up a long term injury or two.

Any context to this? Is he on the table is he? If so where has that been reported?

I'd prefer 149, but maybe I'm over-reaching?

He'd be behind James Jordan in the pecking order. Better off getting an 18 year old to be in line at that position.

My earlier post from the Braydon Preuss thread. I agree with what other posters have said in relation to needing a player to replace Preuss as opposed to just a draft pick. One of the areas we need some cover aside from key forwards and another wing, which we already seem to have targets for, si another half back/small defender. Jetta seems to have hit the wall and Hibberd isn't getting any younger, so this is something we should target. Sadly GWS don't have any obvious candidates that come to mind, but a team they they'll be trading with (St Kilda) certainly have a few. I wouldn't mind seeing us send Preuss to GWS and Pick 47 to St Kilda. GWS send Pick 39 to us and Caldwell to St Kilda. St. Kilda send Pick 14 to GWS and Jimmy Webster to us. Improves our draft hand slightly and Webster would walk straight into our back pocket/half back flank position. Hasn't played a heap in the last two years due to injury, but his numbers are all good. Good turn of pace and kicks it nicely, plus with St Kilda developing the likes of Hunter Clark, Nick Coffield and Geary still going, he's a surplus to their requirements.

Maybe you're right, though pending what happens this off-season we may end up seeing Adelaide end up with Pick 2 for Crouch. Getting clubs to pay realistic trade value would be ideal, but if we can't get there, then having them at least pay the compensation value is better then what the current situation is, surely you'd have to agree with that? And if it's a case of a restricted free agent, then clubs should certainly match bids more often in an attempt to get a realistic trade through. For that reason I don't begrudge Essendon for matching the Daniher bid this year. Though they're still idiots for not entertaining the trade request last year when they would have got so much more!