Mega_Watts

Kade Chandler's "season review" article confirms what most of us expected - he got a 2 year contract.

Doesn't explicitly state that he will move to the main list, but I'd imagine he has to.  Pretty sure the maximum time as a rookie is 4 years, and this will take him through to year 5 on the list.

https://www.melbournefc.com.au/news/1028325/-21-season-kade-chandler

I'll be watching live at 5.15am in Charlotte, North Carolina.  

I've watched every game live this year, at ridiculous hours, so not gonna change the routine now!

Can't wait.

4 hours ago, Engorged Onion said:

I find these sorts of comments from armchair pundits really shortsighted and at worst condescending to the individual. All premiership teams have guys that play their role, that just do enough to be in the side at the right time.

Who would have thought these blokes would have premiership medals....

Nathan Vardy

Mitch Morton

Zaine Cordy

Matthew Spagher

Max Bailey

Mitch Morton

Trent West

Chris Dawes ?

and did I mention Mitch Morton?

 

 

This list is incomplete without former Melbourne great Steven Armstrong

I believe it's a Demonland rule that his name be raised in any discussion of undeserving premiership players.

On 1/15/2019 at 7:32 PM, Gaaawn said:

Not a poster but I use this site to help keep up to date with the Dees. I’m in San Francisco.

Little tip for those wanting the watch afl pass (which is USD150 on its own if you’re in the USA). The Demons international membership includes the watch afl pass and is AUD170 (USD120ish). Save some cash and increase the membership count!

In New York.  Any other Dees fans in New York?

Also watch every game on WatchAFL (with MFC International membership).

Edit: This seemed suspicious at first glance.  However, apparently his "salary payout" goes in the cap for 2018.  Assuming that's less than the total he was owed
And they can't remove him from the list.  So doesn't seem too suspicious.

Very happy for him.  Hope he does well.

I will continue to cheer for both Jacks indefinitely.

4 hours ago, Lucifer's Hero said:

That would certainly influence some people. 

A poster reported a while back that the cost to add the Grand Final Guarantee went from $80 in 2016 to $229.  That GFG increase would have been quite a shock to people who are used to buying it for $80.  Personally, I think that is a rip off by the club as my Redlegs membership which has the GFG built in went up by only a small amount in total.

For members who were already disillusioned/disappointed by the clubs performance/decisions that GFG increase (and other price increases) could well have been the straw that broke the camels back and it gave them just another reason to walk away.  

Yeah wtf is the go with this?
Has anyone heard from the club?

I was going to get the Grand Final Guarantee this year (and in future years), more out of hope than any real expectation.
But $229 is crazy.  My interstate membership is only $145!

 

I am in again.  Thanks for organising DeeVoted!

Wait.  Since when is there an international membership option!?

Here I am buying an Interstate membership + WatchAFL pass like a sucker!

Still missing a few:
Adel: Matthew Jaensch (retired)
BL: Justin Clarke (retired)
Haw:  Shem-Kelvin Tatupu (NZ rookie, retired)
Rich:  Reece McKenzie (retired)
WCE: Damian Cavka (retired)
WB:  Luke Goetz (rookie, delisted)

Source 1: http://www.afl.com.au/news/features/retirements-and-delistings
Source 2: http://www.news.com.au/sport/breaking-news/afl-retirements-and-delistings-every-clubs-list-changes-at-the-end-of-the-2016-season/news-story/ea2d2c2f57154402bbd72122bc6923f1

3 hours ago, bing181 said:

Hard to see us getting up against Adelaide, they haven't won xx in a row for nothing, and are ticking over well.

Where xx=1?

We beat them in 2014! In Adelaide too.
http://www.afl.com.au/match-centre/2014/7/adel-v-melb

12 hours ago, Mach5 said:

13 hours ago, Wiseblood said:

Not only that, but supporters get annoyed when we 'overlooked' a player that was also ignored in the draft by most of the other clubs in the competition as well.  

"We could of had him" they cry... yeah, so could the rest of the competition...

EFA

You do realise Wiseblood was correct here with his original post?
"Could of" does not exist.
"Could have" is always the correct phrase.  Or the contraction of this "could've" is also correct.

Sorry for the grammar pedantry.

1 hour ago, Night Crawler said:

Collective Bargaining Agreement

 

You need to skip to Schedule C.
2. First Year Players
(a) An AFL Club shall pay each first year draft choice Player it employs in 2015 and 2016 the base payments and Senior Match payments per Senior Match set out in the following table:

2 (d) A first year draft choice Player shall not be entitled to, nor shall an AFL Club, pay a first year Player more than the amounts prescribed by this item 2, other than: (i) reasonable relocation expenses and living allowances as set out in item 13 of this Schedule C; (ii) bereavement assistance of up to $2,000 per Player; and (iii) any incentive bonus a Player receives for finishing in the top ten of the AFL Club’s best and fairest award.

Same wording is there under Second Year Players.

Bottom Line - definitely can't pay more than the mandated amounts to 1st/2nd year players.

1 hour ago, Night Crawler said:

It's because we are in a great position to front load contracts.

We advertise they it's a contract extension. But that's not really accurate. It's more likely that we have renegotiated his original contract from 2 years to 4. Instead of paying him the standard new player salary for 2 years, we can pay him a heap more now and next year and then greatly lower the amount in the final year/s of the contract.

Fairly certain you can't do this.  New draftees earn set wages, which you can't increase.

C.f. Tom Boyd in first year at the Dogs was still on rookie wages, with the promise of $millions later.

I am keen to play again.  Please PM league code.

...and is this a good thing?

Maybe you could outline the pluses and minuses...

Off topic, but I think this is a great idea. Simply because it increases the liquidity in the trading market.

Historically a lot of trades are hindered/delayed/aborted as the club "buying" does not have enough assets (or the right value of assets) to complete the deal.

Consider the Dayne Beams trade.

Collingwood considered that he was worth better than pick 1, or two first round picks. (Let's say 4000 points based on the AFL scale).

This is probably fair, noting that an unmotivated seller will charge overs.

At the time the Lions had the following picks (or something similar depending on free agency compos):

5 - 1878

24 - 785

42 - 395

60 - 146

78 - 0

Total points - 3204, which is not enough. And Brisbane probably don't want to trade all their picks in the draft!

If Brisbane can trade their 2015 pick (assuming it is also pick 5) then they have 2*1878 = 3756 points to offer straight up.

A much better spot to start negotiations. The deal would probably go through straight away.

(This ignores the fact that you would probably discount the value of future picks somewhat. Maybe by 10%?).

The combination of picks that Coll and BL could trade (assuming they can each trade 2014 and 2015 picks) should lead to a fair outcome for the Beams trade.

And a much more speedy resolution to this trade. (Allowing other lesser trades to be completed that might otherwise be held up).

Edit: The main "minus" is that some clubs might mortgage their future, by selling off all their future draft picks.

The AFL would probably create a rule to protect clubs from themselves.

e.g. you can only trade picks one year in advance. Or you must use a first round pick at least once every two years.

Excellent system. The afl.com.au article describes it better. And also gives this detailed example: http://www.afl.com.au/staticfile/AFL%20Tenant/AFL/Files/biddingsystemfeedback.pdf
The Stretch example is well explained here. Basically we paid very slight unders (after the 15% discount).

I had a read of the BigFooty thread and there seemed to be a lot of criticism of the points scale.

On the contrary if you analyse every trade of picks for picks over the last few years the proposed points scale seems to be pretty spot on.
I would go as far as to suggest AFL club List management departments use this exact scale.

And to those Sydney fans who would cry because they would have to give up picks 18, 37 and 38 for Heeney, (and maybe a similar price for Mills next year), consider this:
If Melbourne were offered a trade of picks #18, #37, #38 in exchange for #2, would we take it? I seriously doubt it.
Therefore the price for Heeney under the new system is fair (in fact still quite discounted).

I'll be honest in saying Toumpas is the one whose progress most interests me. How did he go today RB? Any standout play?

Funny you should mention that, I released afterwards that I hadn't noticed him at all today and questioned what to make of that? Still don't have an answer.

Without being too contradictory i thought Toumpas looked alright today.

Definitely heard his name called quite a bit in the match simulation drills. Especially in the "third quarter".

Thought I would post some comments seeing as today's training may be the only one I am ever able to attend.

Obviously I have nothing to compare to, so please take all comments in that context.

My crowd estimate was 150. Apparently I am rubbish at basic estimation as the club is reporting over 400.

Paul Roos spent almost the whole session watching from "on high" in a cherry picker.

I set myself up just in front of him - was interesting to hear him coaching players from there, and giving instructions to assistant coaches via walkie talkies.

Highlight comment was from Roos to Brayshaw: "Do we pay more for a kick or handball? They're paid the same".

Presumably a smartass way of telling him to kick the bloody thing.

As others have said it was hot and sunny. Maybe 31 degrees. They went for nearly 3 hours. Massive session.

Extremely funny seeing 40-odd grown men huddling in the tiny amounts of shade between "quarters".

Max Gawn was the most vocal player there. Always encouraging. Always talking. He would be a great guy to have around any club. Probably the one player I really want to see have a breakout year.

Sam Frost had a good session. He's very quick for his size. Showed serious closing speed on a few occasions to make spoils.

Oscar McDonald also looked good. Was getting a lot of praise from the coaching staff, saying "that's AFL standard stuff Osc, great work".

My one negative comment is on Max King - looks miles off having an AFL body. He also seems to be a "confidence guy" and from today it looked like he was really down on confidence. Dropped a few uncontested marks. Still looks 3 years off AFL standard.

Billy Stretch was another player who stood out to me. Showed some dash and got a bit of the ball in the match simulation drills. Thought he'd be a fair way off, so i was surprised and impressed.

Finally Jack Watts seems to be back in full training for those who were wondering.

I think that you will find that it is Jim Stynes with four (and Carl Dietrich holds the record for the number of Blues)!.

Ummm... No.

Stynes has the record for most Blueys (4 - shared with Allan La Fontaine), and most consecutive (3 - shared with Jones).

I'd have Jones at very short odds to equal most Blueys and beat most consecutive Blueys records in 2015.

Carl Ditterich won 1.

http://demonwiki.org/tiki-index.php?page=best+and+fairest

They have a normal list of 46 and one rookie now so they still have more players than anybody else even after all of today's passing. Not taking players is going to make list management easier going forward plus they probably not that interested in filling their list with off cuts and lowly ranked players

Interesting - does this imply they could have had 56 players on their list? Doesn't seem to add up.

Mitchell White (MFC) - 188cm, 85kg, Medium-Tall Defender.
Mitchell White (WCE) - 190cm. 85kg. Meidum-Tall Defender/Forward.

Would be pretty happy if our Mitchell White turned out as good as the last one!

Side note - can anyone explain the GWS strategy.
By my count they passed on 8 Rookie picks and 2 PSD picks.
Why would you go in 10 players short on your list? Surely your just wasting opportunities to find potential guns?

Note: I understand their list size reduces over time. But surely that only justifies going 2-4 list spots short. Not 10!

I don;t often post, but thought i might weight in here as i do have an honours degree is Statistics.

Day 1 of first year Statistics you will generally be presented with the "Birthday Paradox": http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Birthday_problem

In your class of 30 people - there is a 70% chance that two people share a birthday. Much higher than you might expect. (A lot of people wrongly predict 30/365 are the odds).

In this, as in many probability problems, you need to look at the "complementary" (opposite) event.
i.e. What are the odds that in a class of 30 no-one shares a birthday.

This is 365/365 * 364/365 * 363/365 *362/365 * ....... * 336/365 = 29.4%. (or a 70.6% chance that people share a birthday).

For our class of 5 draftees. the odds that 2 share a birthday are:
1 - 365/365 * 364/365 * 363/365 * 362/365 *361/365 = 2.7%. i.e. Pretty low.

But extrapolate this across 18 clubs with 5 draftees. The odds that at least one club has a pair of draftees with the same birthday is (again using complementary events):
1 - (97.3%)^18 = 39%. i.e. Pretty good odds.

Probability & Statistics on the Demonland Board - Let the Good Times Roll!

Mega_Watts confirmed for 2015.
Will play both Real DT and AFL fantasy leagues if they're available.

Real DT is my preference though.

I'll be back next year. A bit bitter that mega-fantasy-carnage-round cost me back-to-back flags. But that's part of the game!

Agree with moving to VS Dream Team unless AFL Fantasy massively ups their game.

The whole AFL Fantasy experience was woeful (website, app, live scores, etc.)

Edit: Congrats to Jiagars for the win! Better depth across his squad proved the crucial difference.