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    5 hours ago, Roost it far said:

    Can you just run me through the players where a long term contract has backfired on the club, leaving out concussion as I think those terms will change again.

    The Brisbane Bears poached Alastair Lynch from Fitzroy on a 10 year contract in 1993, way, way before long contracts were cool. I bet they were definitely spewing when in year 10 of 10, after 3 flags in a row and an illustrious career and with retirement imminent, he got rubbed out for 10 weeks for swinging hay makers at fresh air, supposedly aiming at Darryl Wakelin’s head.

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    44 minutes ago, Demonsone said:

    Luv kozzie great talent but will all these long contracts impact our ability to trade in talent eg free agents, impact to hang onto remaining talent due to less $$

    How would one long contract be any different to signing him on shorter ones 3 times in a row?

    If anything it gives more flexibility with restructuring it as required across the term to meet whatever our objectives are. Comfortable in the salary cap? Bring some of Kozzie’s contract forward. Need to free up some cap to land a big fish for a few years? Chuck some of Kozz’s money back a few years.

    Obviously all that requires Kozzie to be amenable to those adjustments, but assuming like all footballers he’ll be motivated by wanting the team around him to be good as possible, and he makes bank either way. It’s not like only earning 700k instead of the full 1.4 or whatever for a time is going to stop him from putting food on the table.

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    4 hours ago, Roost it far said:

    It’s one of the most nothing incidents I’ve seen the media harp on about. Doesn’t matter if May said “you fffing moron, you always kick to me in those situations” It’s 2 blokes who are deeply frustrated at what just occurred, not only today but this season. We had them, we absolutely had them. I was filthy and I was just watching.

    Exactly this. Given what we know about May he probably did give Max some harsh feedback that the big fella wasn’t quite ready to hear yet, but so what. He knew he fluffed the kick but more importantly, we fluffed about 10 other moments in that quarter, all of which could have won us the game. He was filthy and rightly so - not just because of his kick but because he’s the captain of the team that let a golden chance slip. Realistically that play from Max was never going to be the winner anyway.

    Max’s face reflected how I felt, honestly.

    As you said - two ultra competitive blokes who were deeply frustrated. They’ll both have moved long past this by now and it’s so frustrating that the media are so desperate to keep this nothing story of nothingness alive.

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    26 minutes ago, binman said:

    This is one of the arguments the media often make when poo pooiing the idea of umpires going professional.

    Not having a shot at you Nasher, but it's one if the arguments that does my head in because it's got a false assumption baked into it.

    The assumption is a professional umpiring model would build on the current model - which is that most (all?) umpires are well paid professionals in other fields (usually white collar it would seem, and often lauded as smart, high achievers in that field) and part time umpires.

    But they don't have to be. And perhaps that model is actually part of the problem.

    An alternative professional model is having a base starting salary of say 130k for AFL umpires. And then bonuses on top - eg finals, marquee games, performance, accuracy, etc.

    And perhaps have some levels, eg based on games officiated, performance etc so the base for the best is say 200k plus bonuses.

    They train together as a group (aerobic, decision making, team work etc etc) officiate AFL games, AFLW games and go out to local footy clubs leagues and help train young umpires.

    I suspect plenty of young men and women who love footy, want to be involved in AFL footy would but know they won't make it as a player, would see that as a legitimate career pathway. One that they could be involved in until their 40s.

    We don't need high achieveing accountants and lawyers who are part time umpires.

    We need high achieving umpires.

    Thank binman. FWIW it’s not my argument, it’s just one I’ve heard and think does reflect an actual problem (potential umpire exodus on transition).

    I guess the way to solve that problem is to phase the new model in, such that all the existing umpires who don’t want to be full time are retained until the full time capability is developed.

    There will always be a need for casual/top up umpires though.

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    7 minutes ago, deegirl said:

    Making them professional and paying them a decent wage would help with retention. How many good umpires have given it away because it’s too much to work full time and work a second part time job as an umpire.

    This is one of the arguments against full time umpires, in that many of them have well paid careers already that they’d then have to give up if they wanted to continue to umpire. The pay would need to be competitive - also because it’s a fairly dead end job with a finite shelf-life, in a similar way to playing is.

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    18 minutes ago, The Cult of Disco Turner said:

    It is driving me away from the sport.

    I read that as driving you away from the airport. Was having a hard time drawing the dots.

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    Just now, In Harmes Way said:

    7 news about to go into the winners rooms.

    I’ve never seen inside the umpires rooms before, should be interesting.

    I never thought both Fritta and Melksgam would work in the same forward line, but they were both outstanding today. Hats off.

    I fkn love Melky and this new lease on life he has. When he took that hanger he was like “these ……s are going to just keep kicking it to me in a 2 on 1, I’ll just have to find a way to grab the thing”. He’s playing his guts out for the the team at the moment.

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    7 minutes ago, sue said:

    I'm amazed by some of the negativity here (...no I'm not). Almost everyone thought we'd be lucky to come with 5 goals of them, many expected a 10 goal thrashing, yet we lost by a single point!!

    Sure it would have been great if the point was in our favour instead, but it wasn't. Despite all our mistakes, it ended up a toss up.

    Of course we could have done better and we have problems.

    But if that is all C'Wood can do against us then I'd say they must have problems too.

    I’m normally pretty good at not losing it sue, but this one stung, a lot. For a start my blood pressure was at heart attack level for pretty much the entire game, and we had a golden opportunity to show the comp we’re serious by knocking the top team off. The high I was setting myself for was ripped away from me. The come-down from this one will be lengthy.

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    11 minutes ago, The end is nigh said:

    I hope May gets dropped. Going Gawn after the siren for his missed kick. That’s not the love Melbourne plays with. Bring back TMac.

    Max knows he f’ed that up and he knows May knows no other way than to say how it is, at the tone in which he’s feeling it. They’re big boys. They’ll be fine.

    May was outstanding today by the way.

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    My take: as long as Goodwin is at the MFC, Kozzy will be too. We’ll hear the murmuring of homesickness every year, because it will be true and he’s been open about that. But the club, and specifically the coach, will give him the support, the space and the visits home he requires to manage it.

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    1 minute ago, DubDee said:

    sitting veterans out for the year for kids makes no sense. May was in the coaches votes. Lever was poor but is a leader coming back from injury

    I would have thought these players have earned respect

    Yep. Lever always takes a while to get going after he returns from injury. He’ll find his touch in the seniors like he always does, and everyone who’s had a crack in this thread will have to eat humble pie. Again. We’ve seen this movie before so many times.

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    On 06/06/2025 at 15:53, rjay said:

    Nick maybe living in a bubble...I've heard different from other people.

    I'm interested in the views of our Tasmanian supporters on this site.

    Where does this sit?

    People who like footy want the stadium and people who don’t like it, don’t want it. 🤷‍♂️ I highly doubt Nick Riewoldt would rub shoulders with too many anti-footy commoners given his background.

    Most of the friction is around the location and the cost. The conversation gets swamped by highly emotive but low in sense arguments like health budgets etc, when the cost to build equates to about 3 months of health budget.

    It’s also hard to get sensible economic numbers on it because the planning council intentionally hired anti-stadium analysis on it - that’s why the government tried to bypass it, and would have succeeded if the (pro-stadium) opposition hadn’t just skittled them for unrelated reasons.

    Another part of the aggravation is the reason the cost is so high is because of the AFL’s requirement for a roof, which as far as I can tell is based on some suit at HQ going to Bellerive Oval once and being really cold, rather than any kind of analysis on weather patterns in Hobart, because it rains here less than any other city where AFL is played other than Adelaide. This is causing the cricket bodies to say the current design is unsuitable for cricket, which is muddying the economic waters further. I went to the Hobart Hurricanes cup winning match at Bellerive and it was one of my favourite sporting experiences ever. If it had been at a new stadium with double the crowd, it would have been amazing. And anyone who’s been to Marvel Stadium in the middle of winter knows the roof might keep the rain away but it doesn’t do much for the cold.

    Anyway, this is the one opportunity we’re going to get to bring AFL to Tasmania full time, and it’s about to be blown by a hostile AFL and an incompetent government. Cool.

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