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surely game plan and implementation go hand in hand..?

they are really two sides to the same coin..... part of the plan IS its implementation, or its ability to be implementated. If thats failing then its all failing ...simple really.

when it comes downto it I dont give a damn as to what Danners portrays to the media.. for me he is the coach. Its only important what he says to the players, its only important that what he says is effective and invective.

Ought to be good when that starts !!!

it begs so many questions doesnt it.

I personally think that whilst Danners adds much to the constitution of the MFC and its intelligencia..he is simply a level below the better coaches. He seems to have been sucked into a vacuous place whereby he thinks he needs to emulate all the good hings that others do withot recourse to what our players can actually offer.

I wait with expectant fervour to the wise words of our beloved guru as to what went wrong this week...as opposed to what went wrong last week ..and the week before that etc.. .. I mean...there surely cant be a pattern to all this ? ..

We probaly played a couple of quarters of dumb footy,we probably had a few players who were a bit off colour, we probably were a bit slow to react to this or that!! but its ok coz i'll pop up on befoe the game , crack a few jokes and all will be right with the demonic world.

Hows the farm treating you Neale ? hope its a happy reunion

But, it's only round 2... we're not allowed to panic yet, right?

youre dead right Jaded....tis only round two... shame on all you Dee folk.. where are your loyalties... where is your optimism.. where is yor belief....for mine they all caught the number 18 tram .. and who knows where they will be after that.

Roll up rol up all yo deluded fools ..those tha beleive that we will yet again prove might and contest the elimination final only to bow out the week later.. ahhh they are the days...such lofty heights .. if only all our years could be such!!!

Today is simply summed up in two elements.

firstly we arent as good as we think !!

and secondly..the hawkers are at leat honest and going to give it a red hot try

we're in for a long season...much rhetoric.. a lot of cr@pping on..and probably at least 1001 plans to rejuvinate the mighty Dees !! the irony is at least 775 of those are better than our current game plan!!

personally I have infinite faith and will not give up the season till round 11:-)

well...you either laugh or you cry..

performances so far arent worth my effort at even tears

aww c'mon...Danner s is a top bloke.. great club man.. his coaching knows no equal..lets sign him up before he gets away !!

no for the intellectually challenged....some of that was true...some of it was sarcasm.

end of day...doesnt matter one iota....does it.

i think this is great...but not for al the lets bash Yze reasons we normally have..lol.. but or the simplicity of getting that monkey off his back...its gone...cant be got back !! Now he can concentrate on playin glike he can..which when he puts his mind to it it marvellous. Mayb ethis will instill a new lease of life , a new sense of urgency...a new found mortality.. Now Neales doe it once...who's to say he wont agin in you follow my thinking. I expect Adem to have a new sense of earnign his place in this team. glad it s over...get cracking Ooze.. we do like you ...really .. well when you play the graeat Oozey footy that is :-)) I see this a s a great positive

It was great to see the Saints lose, but god it makes you wonder why Brisbane can get it right, and we can't.

maybe....

Would Mathews put up with the waxxing and waning of certain Dee's game ?

Would Mathews allow a personal journey to a record, despite any real week in week out display of obvious talent ?

and the best til last..

would Mathews persist in a game with a tactic that was so obviously crucifying his team??

with apologies to whomever posted it... the 'matter' is in a way to remove the monkey.. get this record sh!t out of the way !! he doesnt deserve to outplay Stynesy anyways. then he can ( maybe ) go back to what he's actually good at..he CAN play footy..the qulaifier is...whn he wants to....well lets get him 'wanting' to !!

Three years in a row of late-season fade-outs and he's trying something different by building a team that lasts out the season.

I concede that the players seem to be confused and we played abominally last Friday.

Its not crisis time yet.

couldnt agree more we need a team capable of playing all season.. but surely that includes tha start as well as the end ?

crisis time was ages ago !!

you cant give away games...they will haunt you

ah...Dees64 is on the scent !!!! :-)

This comment pleases me: "McLean said the Demons had to get back to the one-on-one style that helped resurrect the club's 2006 season after a 0-3 start"

I just find it strange that they didn't opt for the tactic that they know brings them success in the first place.

can only be team instructions.... and at risk of sounding like a broken record... they only come from one place !!

i think a lot of people have to learn there is a vast difference between a nice bloke...and an effective one.

Quite honestly i think Neale has done a lot of very good things at Melbourne.. ...but creating a successful team is not one of them.. I dont consider top 8 finishes a success. Thats like getting just above 50% in an exam...you havent failed... but youre hardly setting the world on fire and when the top prizes only go to the really successful and ambious students...well the analogy just continues...again Danniher comes in at the barest shade above 50%...light the fireworks and pop the champagne...we passed !!

compare to Roos @ nearly 63%, Sheeds at near 62 % Worsfold at 64% Craig at 66%

even Rocket is running at 55 %..

ND has some catching up to do.....

I ask one simple question of those who think criticism of Neales effectivenes is unwarranted....

what is your evidence that he IS ? I cant see it.

the great irony is we wouldnt even really be discussing him in negative tones much if it were'nt for the fact he is a very very good player....when on song.

he's like that straight A kid who doesnt apply himself coz he can just cruise...and still get by.

he getting drinks on past glories at present... and the keg may run dry any minute now !!

whatever works...I'll take 6...:-)

whilst we happily nail away...others are screwing us over !! me thinks he has the wrong method

Neale Daniher, 211 games coached 106- won , 104-lost 50.47 win/loss

a little more than just the one loss I put it to you !!

he's the coach...he's responsible...thats what he's paid to do... Coach, Inspire, Lead !!

and I just dont see a hell of a lot of it going on!!

and Mike Sheahan knows nothing about football ?

he too is a frustrated Melbourne supporter

He's just rolled out all the same ol' tired stats and stuff. With the right spin we could make a case for Grinter being just a misunderstood shy and retiring soul !!

No ones can dispute he's played a lot of games....... but were they all top quality?..or more the point...to the true potential he gives glimpses.

No one disputes his many posssessions..... but again ask what did he really do with all those disposals. ..certainly not what he COULD have done with them.

He's played every game since Danners got there.... well well isnt that an interesting stat !! because ND has been such a winner !!

Its put up that he was best on ground in R17 last year... so in true Dave Allen logic.... how many games WASN"T he ?? a damn site more.

Youre right ..the times not up for him probably this week.... he's bloody lucky we dont have a full list to pick from...and thats teh only statistic worth keeping in mind going into this weeks game.

The fact that he's likely to play says more about the team than anything to do with his deserving to be in it presently.

He's a lucky boy... he ought to repay it.

only 70 ?? i'm worried now ...you're sounding pessimistic !! :-)

that too

Does anyone else think the "run and carry" game plan looks similiar to the Neil Balme game plan from 10 years ago.

Remember how sucessful that was!

Balme had a plan ?? interesting :-)

I propose we ban any further Neil/Neale 's from coaching Melb

well there ya go.. Byron probably off the menu ..

We may luck out a little in that we have a couple more days compared to the normal weekend to have someone come good....... or it might be reshuffling the deckchairs.

Im still clinging to the idea that a different instruction to play wil lhave more effect than too many changes to the team per se.

still theres an Idea for this week Danniher out...Williams In !!

Think i'll wait to see who's fit and healthy come thursday before getting too excited about this bloke for that etc. Youd expect Jared and Byron to almost be walk up starts, but not if not underdone.

We may not have as many choices as we like going into the Hawkers game.

A few of us have commented on this very fact elsewhere. Something certainly isn't gelling. I would have thought after all these years Danners would have had it worked out as to how to get his charges to listen to him. Its as if he warants that the overuse of handball is all their (players) own idea. But this style has been apparent in all the games this year.

Do i dare say if all the fancy stuff aint working...go back to basics and reconstruct your game from there.

Alpha ..youre right in thinking its an interesting read.

nothing hurts or scrares/worries an opposition like scoreboard pressure !!