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  1. 5 minutes ago, DeeSpencer said:

    Correct. And Petty looks great last year and even the first few weeks this year, now is sick of the ball sat on or over his head so stops leading. Lost all confidence. Exact same thing happen to T Mc.

    I’d swap Stafford and McQualter at the bye.

    McQualter is cooking our midfield putting them in useless defensive positions and taking away from their strengths.

    And Stafford seems to have no idea what to do with this forward line, he never has.

    Id be rid of them both.... or send'em down casey.    Bloody hell cant we get coaches who are competent 

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  2. 15 minutes ago, Jaded No More said:


    You think Collingwood hasn’t thrown everything at trying to get a key forward as well? 

    Coleman medalists don’t grow on trees. To suggest we have failed to get one is to suggest there are dozens of quality key forwards just waiting to come to Melbourne. 
    Look at the ludicrous contracts offered to absolute potatoes like Lobb because he’s over 6 foot 5 for crying out loud.

    You dont actually need a coleman up front.... You need a system.  You need cohesion,  you need method and intelligence.  We just arent clever forward of the big bounce. Our coaching in that dept is laughable.  Funny we understand defence but cant for love nor money understand nor implement its opposite. .

    How fn dumb can we be.... seriously.


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  3. 2 hours ago, D Rev said:

    I really appreciate your considered and detailed response,  I think we can shut the lid on discuss around the closeness of the competition, given our furious agreement there.

    I agree that there are issues with the team, including depth.

    However if you look at the top 8 teams in the VFL - 5 of those teams are stand-alone clubs.  Of the AFL affiliated teams, only Geelong is a chance.  The VFL is essentially treated as an extra training session by most AFL sides, and Geelong has been probably the most successful side (overall) in the last 50 years.

    So, most other (good) AFL teams dont seem to have a wealth of talent at the ready either.

    For us, we've been a victim of our success in that we've had players like Bedford and Jordan in the twos, they simply wont stay if there are better opportunities out there.  Should we have tried to keep them at the expense of others?  Maybe - hindsight is always 20/20.

    It's also worth remembering that we lost Brayshaw before the start of the season for absolutely no compensation (to date).  He was in our top 10 players and versatile in ways that can be hard to define.  Clarrie had no pre-season, so is still playing catch up - so we are down 2 of our top midfielders.

    Langers, who has been really good this season, was also out Sunday - so thats 3 of our top midfielders out.  No team can replace that sort of talent easily.  Lever was also out early, which also hurt.

    Again, the issue when our top players fail (e.g. May), it really exposes the next tier down.

    I agree that Sparrow has been disappointing and that BBB and McAdam didn't seem up to it.  We can't really send Sparrow back to Casey as there is noone down there who can play his role.  Laurie doesn't seem up to it while K Brown and Thurstropp need another year or two.  Same with Jefferson.

    I disagree about Chandler though, his pressure acts have been incredible. 

    The way we play isn't to kick 100 points, its to hold the other team to about 10 goals, then kick more than that.  This is a strategy that holds up in finals and relies more on fitness (which can be developed quickly) than skills (which cannot).

    I'm not too worried about our forward line...when we are fit. We had Turner and JVR out, as well as Melksham.  All 3 are smart footballers who can provide a target and run. With our style of play, we need the talls to compete and the rest of the team to lock the ball in and move it forward. 

    Fritta has kicked 25 goals this season, while Kozzy, JVR, Trac and Chin all average about a goal per game.  Then there's the others that chip in (Gawn, ANB, Windsor etc).  That's enough to get above the opposition if the defence works.

    All in all, with: the closeness in the competition, the draft, the salary cap, travel and injuries - it is very difficult to be competitive every week throughout the whole season for multiple seasons. 

    I think we are looking OK in the context of the league and have the opportunity to get better if we can stay fit.

    I really want to accept that as cause rationale...   but for mine it fails a very basic test... Reality.   By this im suggesting we a [censored] poor at starting games...   We still dont have a purposeful functional forward setup.  We rely far too heavily on defence.  We seem incapable of change within games once found out and wanting.

    Given our reliance on defence ...  we're now [censored]

  4. 31 minutes ago, binman said:

    Agree that form fluctuates for a multitude of reasons. 

    Of course it does.

    And one of those multitude of reasons is the program the high performance team puts in place. It's why clubs spend a fortune on them.

    And fatigue is another of those multitude of reasons form fluctuates 

    And agreee its extremely difficult to quantify it or determine how much a factor it is. Impossible for fans actually.

    But you don't need to be a sports scientist to realise when a team is fatigued. You can see it.

    Look at the performance by the Cats against the suns.

    Whatever the reason - the heat, the humidity, their high performance program, load management- blind Freddy could see they were spent 10 minutes into that game. 

    Mate...mate...tell me you're not alluding to Loading ....

  5. 3 hours ago, SFebes said:

    Was at the game, it was truly pathetic and embarrassing. One of the more frustrating efforts I've seen. I still can't believe I am saying we need a key forward 3 yrs in a row. Its either salary cap issues or poor list management/coaches belief. No words really but we are a meat and potatoes team with very limited skill across the board and a constant makeshift forward line that is one so frustrating to watch every single week.

    Why didn't Petty go back when Lever was out? Brown is useless, once he doesn't mark it we are one down, McAdam was poor and didn't chase. Billings, Viney, Oliver, Sparrow.....


    Why ?? 🤔

    Why didn't he ?

    We both know why ?  😉

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  6. 1 minute ago, sam6172 said:

    At that stage is it even a tag? Or is it just playing man on man and holding your opponent accountable? 

    Nail on head.

    🤔🤔Coach's brief ( Simpson ) .. go out and beat YOUR man, the rest will follow.

    And it did

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  7. A problem for me is the assumed idea ( by some ) that we are entirely the masters of our destiny.  We're not.  It's a game between 2 and that opponent ( each week ) has a very big input into the outcome as has been shown in all games thus far.

    As far as top 4 goes we've essentially put ourselves into the need to play "catch up footy" as it were.  We need to not only better our own game but outperform those above us.

    This my friends will not be an easy ask. 

    The last 2 seasons we proved we weren't up to it when it counted.  The indications to date suggest we won't aspire even to that same level . I'm just trying to be realistic.  It's  not about negativity or positivity, it's about acknowledging what is, is.  We are currently in a very precarious position.

    Before the next opportunity to lick our wounds ( round  14  bye ) we have Saints, Dockers and the big day out with the Filth. 

    Youd think we should best the Aints ...but how's that thinking working of late ???  I dont particularly like our chances in the other 2 if the last  fortnight is any guide.

    The top 8 is not overly spread out just at the moment,  but it is poised to be.

    This seasons fate may well be sealed come Kings Birthday if it hasn't already.

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  8. 11 hours ago, Lou C. Fur said:

    Too true. It's a marathon, not a sprint. 

    The problem though...  is we're not running.  The length of the race is irrelevant if you're in the wrong one.

    The absolute worry about yesterday's game is i can't really think of even one positive.  It was abysmall across everything. 

    Clearly our dysfunction is not an aberration,  its our style now. We often seem to go about things in an odd way, whether thats game style, positioning and often selection. 

    We are so far off the "pace" of contending it's not a debatable subject anymore ( imo )

    Get ready for the "skiing" jibes as i fear we're heading downhill. 

    Be lucky to finish in the 8 playing like that....actually we won't,  not unless there's serious and across the board improvement.  Where does that come from ?? The window is shut... the back door is open ...and the weather isn't particularly nice.

    We're a very strange team really.  We can and have played some wonderful footy... but that seems less and less the norm.

    Not a lot in my thinking to get ecstatic about. Many of the better players ( of yore ) are staring at the pension. Only a couple of the kids seem to have what's required. The list is reeking of NQRS.

    Not sure anyone in the wheelhouse really knows what they're doing presently and have they the ability to right the ship ?

    So whether it's 100m or 42k ...  I'm more concerned whether we can run at all and not  just walk.

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  9. 25 minutes ago, DubDee said:

    how [censored] dare you claim our flag has an asterisk!

    i expect this from my [censored] mates but not melbourne supporters

    2020 has an asterisk with short games and 17 rounds. 2021 was business as usual aside from the location of games


    Open eyes... extraordinary circumstances...

    How do we travel in normality  ???

    Be honest 🤔🤔🤔

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  10. Just now, layzie said:

    I'm not angry, I'm disappointed. Like a really let down parent.

    Exactly.. im not mad... quite frankly i dont expect any better.  And thats the rub...a big rub !!

    Am i surprised... ( not really ) ... that folk  still think we masterminded our flag and Simon walks on water. He doesn't.  He's very  limited really.  He DOES  have some serious  game ability...but ...gets caught in traffic.

    Simpson can coach....  He also has runs on the board.   West Toast...[censored]... odd club.

    Please we need to address the Elephants  in the room.

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  11. 22 hours ago, Demon Disciple said:

    We’re coming off a 10 day break. We should be more than fine.

    Only if we wake up to ourselves and bother to "turn up" for the first bounce as opposed turn it up for the 1st qtr !!!

    Quite frankly it could be " Danger,  Danger Will Robinson "

    Nothing should be taken for granted.

    Go Dees

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