Sir Why You Little

Great 

8 minutes ago, ANG13 said:

Absolutely and Houston is worth a first rounder plus something more depending on the actual first round pick. Yep sure if we can get Cumming as well then it’s looking better but if it’s just Houston is he really going to improve us enough to challenge?

 

It depends who he replaces, is he an upgrade?

And where other players are moved to to accommodate Houston…

1 player can make a huge difference, if they are the right choice. 

1 minute ago, jnrmac said:

Sorry but this post is ridiculous and has been laid out numerous times before

1. Jordon was a free agent. It was not a 'swap' per se. Billings was available and was cheap. Who else would you have got?

2. We did not let Bedford go. He was offered a 2 year deal I recall and took 3 from the Giants with guaranteed game time

3. Schache and Fullarton have been failures but this is where its a lazy argument. Name me the payers that you would have been able to draft?

4. I agree with you on Grundy

Jordan should have been given time on the ground in the last quarter of the GF. If that had happened, he may have wanted to stay. 
Bedford deserved more game time and didn’t get it, which I found very frustrating, i don’t blame him for leaving, but he is a much better option than Laurie who plays a similar role. 
Schache and Fullarton are self explaining, were they the only options?

I fully understand tall Players are hard to find, but how hard did we look? Are we lacking staff to find replacements? 
But these 2 guys have sadly been a bust, it’s not lazy to discuss that, it’s just a fact 

Our Drafting has been excellent, but not so Trading. 
I am glad somebody agrees with me about Grundy. 
My opinion is that if a player signs a deal for x amount of years they should have to see out 50% of that contract before they can request a trade. 
It’s too easy to just back out of a signed deal. 
Sydney are top of the ladder & Grundy has been a big part of it, I don’t blame Grundy, but the MFC got rolled over

You cannot say that we have traded well over the last 3-4 years, other Clubs have won the deals

30 minutes ago, kozzyisalegend said:

Hawthorn have recruited massimo dambrisio, Jack ginnivan and mabior chol. All very good players who were cheap, were playing vfl and were up for grabs. The failure to talk to them is a disgrace 

Yes, the Hawks refuse to lie down, it makes me ill, i have seen them do it 3-4 times since 1971

If they get a taste of Finals this year, they will monster teams next year 

18 minutes ago, Dee Boys said:

God this is overly simplistic rubbish. When you win a premiership a couple of things happen. 

1) You need to reward these premiership players. Stands to reason that they’ve had great seasons and deserve to be paid well for it. This then takes up a good chunk of your salary cap. We’ve got some of the best players in the club’s history playing for us at the moment. They want, and deserve, to be paid as such.

2) Other teams come calling for your fringe players. This happens with every successful team. Look at the players Richmond and Hawthorn had to let go during their eras of success. We’re not alone in not being able to match the offers from less successful clubs while in win flag mode.

Because of point 1, there’s not a heap of money left to attract A grade talent from other clubs. All you can do is hope to replace your backups with equally good backups. But you’re trying to do this while only being able to offer minimum wage.

I’m not saying Tim Lamb is above criticism but expecting us to be able to have a list of 40+ excellent league footballers - 20 of which are happy to play VFL - while keeping all their salaries under the salary cap, is incredibly naive. 
 

All fair points.
I am not saying it’s easy, but i do expect to recruit players who are at an AFL Level and at this point in time that hasn’t been happening. 
Some of our fringe players you speak of are still playing for us, whilst those that have left have done very well, so the system we have is not working well at all. 
Now the odd player is going to slip through the net, i get that. But this has been a serious problem at the MFC since the Flag

24 minutes ago, jnrmac said:

Some people on here have zero idea on how hard it is to trade for other players.

'oh we didn't we get such and such' is such an easy, lame, BS line to say.

It's hard. The club talks to dozens of players and managers every month of the year 

Convincing players to come to our club is not easy. First they have to be available and gettable, And fitting them into the list based on cap, age, profile etc is an incredibly difficult task. Then you need the picks to be able to get them. 

The club could do better but they have done a good job. 

 

 

Signing Grundy for 4 years and then giving up after 6 months. 

Josh Schache and Tom Fullarton as replacements 

billings for Jordan 

Letting go of Bedford…. (I was angry at the time, i knew he would become an very good player)

I think our trading since the Flag has been a big F

1 hour ago, DubDee said:

I believe we have traded in as well as we could have.

When fringe players want to leave you cannot force them to stay. 

I really don't see any lessons to be learned here.

So you accept mediocrity. 

23 minutes ago, Nascent said:

I agree we've underachieved. 2023 should have been ours.

But that shouldn't take away from what we have achieved and what the likes of the Lions, Power, Swans, Blues, GWS can only hope for. A premiership and multiple top 4 finishes.

This is the type of success we could only dream of back in 2014.

Does that mean I'm happy with where we are right now, of course not. We need to be doing everything in our power to maximise and compliment the talent we have on our list now.

As to what that looks like in terms of the "right calls..." I wish I had the answers for that.

Covering off holes in the list with best 22 talent is a starting point. Is Houston, Cumming, some draftees and a back up ruck part of the solution? Looks like a good starting point to me.

Does our coaching group need review with perhaps new staff and ideas coming in? 

Does the gameplan need further refining without moving so far away from contest and defence with which we struggled earlier on this year.

There's no simple answer and multiple things have to be done right to achieve success. And the reality is we might not know how successful our post 2024 moves are for a few years as well. Take the introduction of Lever and May as an example, we don't win a premiership without them yet it took a few years after acquiring them and the tension around losing Hogan and two first round picks was palpable. All I can say is strap yourself in and enjoy the ride while we are still competitive, you never know when we might suffer again like the current Roos, West Coast and us of 2008-14.

 

 

There is a fairly simple answer to this. 
When players leave the Club, particularly those who are still contracted. 
Don’t replace them with players who can’t get a Senior game and don’t extend contracts of these same players. 
We have traded downwards since ‘21 

10 minutes ago, Engorged Onion said:

 

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Hahahaha!!! That is brilliant!!😀

2 minutes ago, rjay said:

Neither is Fullarton..

Maybe not, but Petty is worth more and is injury prone 

1 hour ago, rjay said:

If you've seen Fullarton at Casey then you would know that wasn't going to happen.

Better to at least have Petty marking ability around the ground...

No i disagree. Petty is not a Ruckman, who has a history of foot injuries. 
i am sure Fullarton could also take a few marks around the ground. 
he has played 19 games, that’s almost a Season worth. 
It was a complete balls up that backfired completely 

Freo have beaten us by 142 points this year….

26 minutes ago, rjay said:

OK, so who was this specialist ruckman we should have selected 'SWYL'???

I wouldn’t have played Petty. He has already shown he is not a Ruckman, he has also had multiple foot injuries 

So I would have played Fullarton and just told him to crack in. 
 

I agreed with David’s comments. It was pure arrogance to think we could go in against Jackson and Darcy with Petty

36 minutes ago, Demonland said:

 

Well Said Ox….

1 minute ago, Watson11 said:

That was the year before which was also poor.

INS: Schache, Hunter, Grundy

OUTS: Hunt, Bedford, Wiedeman

Lloyd Meek, who was unwanted at Freo that year, would have worked much better for us as a backup to Max than Grundy.  And he would have been good for 6-8 years.

Since ‘21 is the issue. Bedford is thriving,  like the rest 

1 hour ago, kozzyisalegend said:

𝗜𝗡𝗦: Tom Fullarton (Brisbane), Shane McAdam (Adelaide), Jack Billings (St Kilda) 𝗢𝗨𝗧𝗦: James Jordon (Sydney), James Harmes (Western Bulldogs), Brodie Grundy (Sydney)

 

Disastrous trade period from Tim lamb, we are now starting to feel the effects

You forgot Toby Bedford 

12 minutes ago, jumbo returns said:

TC nullified Dunstall 2 weeks in a row - great game 

A very good Player was TC, i think he lost his position to Danny Hughes. 
Was always sad to see him play for Footscray….

37 minutes ago, jumbo returns said:

Absolutely - but, they had a crack and hurt, I mean really, really hurt the oppo. You remember those physical days, don’t you, SWYL? Teams were s*it scared to face the Dees 

Oh yes it was a very Tough era, no Doubt. 
it was a time when the elbow and the Hip and Shoulder were still used regularly as legitimate parts of the game. 
i do remember speaking to Demott Brereton in Elwood one afternoon, he told me that the 1990 Elimination Final was one of the Toughest finals match he played in. We played them in consecutive weeks and beat them both times. Brutal Footy

27 minutes ago, Deebymistake said:

Titan ur anus..........  my childish mind has a laugh every time I see it.  Sir why you little.......... my mind goes straight to Homer Simpson.

“Why You Little” was first used in Warner Bros Cartoons, and where I first laughed out loud as a School kid. 
Homer used it to great effect in the early series of The Simpsons, when the were seriously violent and a Must Watch!!!

2 hours ago, jumbo returns said:

One for the earlier Demonlanders

John Northey didn't always have the best players, but the team was hard as hard as can be

Despite a loss, oppo teams felt the contest

Most games yes. 
We often put in a 3rd Quarter Burst (3-4 goals) and then hung on to win a Close one. 
During those years there was also a 4-5 week slump that meant we were fighting to make Finals. 
But yes overall Northey got the best out of his list 

I always thought we were one forward short through those years. 

This thread is a fabulous read. Kudos to all who have contributed. 
Yesterday comes down to one thing, Workrate. 
The boys out there were not hungry enough to get the ball and help each other to dispose of the ball, when we got it. 
From the first bounce, the attitude wasn’t there. 
Yes we were up against it, but there was no fight

To lose Clearance 16-47 is shocking. 
It all comes down to hunger. 
 

The Hunger to win has been sporadic all Season. 
That is on Players and Coaches. 
 

Look at Hawthorn, they are coming, and they will stay up for a long length of time, because they demand it. 
 

6 minutes ago, rjay said:

It's the truth...we don't have anyone apart from Max who can compete in ruck contests at that level.

People want him to talk straight then he does and others complain.

I know it's a no win situation.

I have no problem with Goodwin talking straight. The trade(s) of Fullarton and Schache have been a complete bust, we are basically 2 men down, Hunter is not far behind them realistically 

6 hours ago, Jaded No More said:

I understand that this was what Twomey thought, and maybe that is what we thought to, but clearly we were sold a player who is not a ruckman or who needs a LOT of work in order to become one.

He's played 19 games and he's 24 already. Not really sure that we thought he would be anything other than a complete break glass in case of emergency option this season.

What I don't get is why we got him, and also kept Schache. 

 

Our trading of Senior players has been atrocious since 2021 and it is now coming back to bite, very hard. 
 

1 hour ago, kev martin said:

I am not upset.

Merely trying to change a few of the perspectives. Those wallowing could be happier with a change in their thoughts.

I like the moments I live. To win or lose is not so important to me, the journey is my joy. Success is overated. 

If only the praise would be expressed more. The criticism always seem to be in greater numbers. Reading the venom is not much fun, and shows a lack of self understanding by the authors.

You're the second person to say I shouldn't post.

What is that about?

Good luck group thinkers. A dissenting voice to the "realists" and "venters" should not heard! 

 

 

Success is not overrated. Let’s get that one sorted, the journey to get there can be enjoyed, but please don’t overrate Success 

I have watched too many other Clubs enjoy multiple years of Success. 
The year we win it, i am forced to stay indoors during and after the game….

Play him in Defence 

1 minute ago, ElDiablo14 said:

IMO,He spent his credit last year with back to back straight sets.

He'll gain some credits when and if we win a final.

Spot on 100%