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And if he helps change the culture and win games, an even greater win. As a bonus maybe we will have fewer Caddy's who don't even want to talk to us.

Heading out for dinner tonight with WJ. Should be able to spend 5 seconds discussing all the trades in the last few days.

We are seeing murmurings on a thread that is headed crazy. Quite apt.

Pies allegedly paying Dawes about $280k and have now got Lynch and thrown big bucks at Cloke and several others. He again allegedly, is told by Bucks and the club that he is free to look around. They need salary cap space. Eddie already referring to him as an ex player who is welcome back to the club after his footy career ends. So what does that all mean? It means they don't think much of him, except when it gets to letting him go. Suddenly he has become a star. A first round pick is not enough. Give us a break. The Pies may end up with a reputation like Essendon and Port.

Whereas a few days ago I thought Wines was a lock if we wanted him, I am now not so sure. GWS has thrown a cat among the pigeons, with their offer of trading early picks. I don't think much will happen with that offer, as they will want stars from other clubs and it may be all show for the AFL, to demonstrate that they were willing to get older players, as the AFL intended, but that deals couldn't be done. However if they do manage a trade of picks 2 or 3 that may change the dynamic. While I am confident GWS would take Grundy and maybe Plowman or Toumpas, that might not happen if another club gets one of those picks. Interesting times ahead.

Funny.

If the AFL decide to take a player you get from say your best loss, or in our case Byrnes from Rivers, they dilute the pick you get. As you get 1 pick for each loss that is open to manipulation once again. If Byrnes is taken from Moloney or say Bate you may end up with a 3rd round pick and still get a much better pick for Rivers, which would be the desired result. You could end up with a couple of ordinary picks instead of 1 good one and an ordinary one. Why haven't they announced the formula for this?

Funny thing is we will probably get the player we would take at 2 at 4 anyway.

Ray's Manager says he expects him to stay with Saints. That might mean 1 less player we need to get rid of. Gysberts may be kept if no great offer.

Ray's Manager says he expects him to stay with Saints.

Ray's Manager says he expects him to stay with Saints.

You could argue for Morton as an outside runner, but Gysberts is an inside mid with no speed or endurance.

Good point.

You might have the wrong bloke who did the convincing. Nevertheless it aint happening.

Well that means Caulfield Cup day is going to be a busy football day then.

Have the Dogs gone off Bate since last year? Hopefully he goes there as a FA, to boost our compo after Rivers leaves.

It's sounding like that.

I am not suggestin Martin and 20, but rather a straight swap of players with maybe Petterd thrown in or a late swap of picks.

Must say I am a bit bewildered that Pies are not seeking Martin in the trade. They are reportedly about to delist Wood and Jolly has at best one year left with all his injuries. The early talk was that they wanted Martin and now he is not even being mentioned in the deal. I would offer him and a swap of later picks to see if we could get the deal done. Even Martin and Petterd would be worth a try as Petterd played some great games against the Pies and I would have thought they would have some interest in him.

Agree 100%. He is their "must" pick. They are desperate for a Grundy. You could also be right in that they take Plowman with 3, as they are weak down back. 12 & 13 would give them a couple of mids if they want more.

I wonder if we are only going to try and upgrade our remaining picks, after the Dawes, Ray and Pedersen deals are completed?

Back from 2 days in Healesville. Very relaxed and ready to conclude the Dawes, Ray and Pedersen deals.

Caddy has replaced any need for Gysberts. Mitch Brown is available and someone on another thread suggested we offer the compo for Rivers and I would add Moloney and Bate's, if he goes, if Rivers goes to them for Brown. Brown is a big boy with a lot of upside. If we got Dawes and Brown and maybe Pedersen that would be it. We could trade Martin then without concern.

You would probably throw in any Bate compo if he goes and Moloney's. I still think we will get one compo pick, if all 3 go, in the second round. I agree I would offer that.

I just wait for him to do what many ex Demons do to us and that is star when he plays against us.