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Courtesy of Wikipedia. List maintenance Each club is allowed to maintain a list of up to six eligible Category A rookies and three Category B rookies. Up to three rookies can be retained, with the player's permission for a second or third season,[2] with the others having to be either delisted or elevated to the primary list at the time of the National Draft. Only half of the salary paid by a club to players on the rookie list counts towards the league's salary cap. Generally speaking, a rookie-listed player cannot be selected to play in the senior AFL competition, and must play in state-level affiliated teams, except in two circumstances: At the start of a season, a club can nominate up to two veterans from its senior list for salary cap reasons; if a team does not have a full quota of veterans, it can make up the balance by nominating rookies to be eligible for senior selection. These players are known as nominated rookies. If a senior-listed player is moved onto the long-term injury list, a rookie-listed player can be temporarily elevated in his place, becoming eligible for senior selection, while the senior player remains injured. There are usually plenty of opportunities to enact one of these rules, so rookie-listed players who are playing well enough for senior selection are seldom deprived of the opportunity by list management constraints. History[edit] The rookie list was established in 1997. It was initially aimed at providing recruitment opportunities for young players, and at that time, players must have been between the ages of 18 and 23 to qualify.[1] In 2006, this was relaxed to allow each club to recruit a rookie older than 23 if he had never previously been on an AFL list. This has since been relaxed further, and now there no upper age or experience restrictions on Category A rookies. In 2006, "International rookies" were identified for the first time as a separate class of rookie, covering international players from any countries except Ireland, in order to protect the AFL's relationship with the Gaelic Athletic Association.[3] The "International rookie" category has since been expanded to the broader Category B. The relaxing of eligibility criteria have resulted a notable semantic anomaly with the rookie list: that highly experienced players may serve on a club's rookie list, even though the word "rookie" is widely understood in most sports and professions to refer to a new or inexperienced person. For example, Carlton's Heath Scotland spent his sixteenth and final AFL season on Carlton's rookie list, mostly to free up space on the club's primary list.[4] Before eligibility criteria were relaxed, special dispensation was granted for Adam Ramanauskas to be played on Essendon's rookie list in 2006. Ramanauskas had played over 100 AFL games for the club, but there was uncertainty over his playing future as he underwent treatment and recovery for cancer.[5] Future[edit] The Australian Football League Players' Association (AFLPA) has stated a desire to abolish the rookie list, in favour of an expanded 46 player roster. The AFLPA's main argument is that rookies now have the same workload as senior players – which was not necessarily true in the early days of the rookie list – but that their pay and opportunities are much lower than that of senior players.[6] Most successful rookies[edit] Some of the most successful players (having played over 100 AFL games and/or kicked over 100 goals in the AFL) originally drafted into the AFL via the rookie system[7][8][9]are: Michael Barlow Nathan Bassett Jarryd Blair Nathan Bock Matthew Boyd Luke Breust Dean Brogan Greg Broughton Shannon Byrnes Andrew Carrazzo Robert Copeland Dean Cox Stewart Crameri Aaron Davey Matt de Boer Michael Doughty Paul Duffield Aaron Edwards Michael Firrito Chad Fletcher Nathan Foley Josh Gibson Antoni Grover Heath Grundy Jarrod Harbrow Pearce Hanley Leigh Harding Roger Hayden Kieren Jack Sam Jacobs Mark Jamar Mark Johnson Darren Jolly Brett Jones Tadhg Kennelly Brett Kirk Tarkyn Lockyer Nathan Lovett-Murray Heritier Lumumba Quinten Lynch Martin Mattner Nick Maxwell James McDonald Ben McGlynn Mal Michael Stephen Milne Dale Morris Shane Mumford Mark Nicoski Michael Osborne Joel Patfull Danyle Pearce Damien Peverill Liam Picken James Podsiadly Jason Porplyzia Matt Priddis Dean Rioli Russell Robertson Max Rooke Ben Rutten Aaron Sandilands Brad Sewell Cheynee Stiller Bret Thornton Greg Tivendale Shane Tuck Clinton Young

A magnificent analysis of KC's post. Your calculator must be ready to explode.

Russell said that it is likely to be Port v Doggies in China, opening the season, the night before Tigers v Blues.

Prestia is clearly ours, as when interviewed after the game he said it was hot up there.

Oh no, we are going to have 10 pages arguing about what an A grade midfield is.

Disagree with the first sentence, but agree with the third and fourth..

I think that has not been the case this year, with the side being picked for the future. Players with poor form but future potential, have clearly got games ahead of players with good form and perhaps limited long future potential.

Do you like arguing for the sake of it? You say a player who butchers every second possession and can't stand his ground in a contest, is an average player. You win, I give up, you clearly don't want a sensible discussion.

Hopefully the first domino. Actually maybe the second after Viney.

Wouldn't it be hilarious if Grimes plays this week and was BOG. Then plays well for the rest of the year and then says he is leaving, because of how he was treated.

I think one ex co captain will replace the other this week.

Implied, when describing a bloke who butchers every second possession and can't stand his ground in a contest. That is a rubbish player.

Don't worry about the "chairing off", it is a nothing matter. If they do, so be it if he is leaving and if they don't, who cares. This is about a bloke who has done his best for a putrid club over a number of years and who on form this year deserves a couple of games which incidentally would take him to 100 with us. I actually think he will go past the 100 with us by a few games and then leave.

We can agree on this post. It was more where you described him as rubbish, butchering every second possession and losing most contests, which just isn't true.

You said "If his skill level was higher, if he didn't butcher every second kick or get pushed off contests so easily at senior level then he would have hit this number a long time ago. He is dam lucky he got 98" He didn't butcher every second kick and didn't get pushed off contests so easily. He was not lucky to get 98 games, he earned them. His development was probably smashed by our putrid club. He was captain of Vic Metro and was then crucified by being appointed Co Captain of an AFL rabble, when too young for the role. That would have affected his game. I don't recall seeing him shirk contests, he was hard at the ball. He would make a clanger or two, but we have current players doing that as well. Ask Picket Fence. He has earned games on his form this year, but a clear policy of giving games to lesser performed younger players, who may have long term potential, has cost him games he has earned the right to play. He was in our best players for many of the 98 games he played. He is no champion, but lets not rewrite history, he is no dud either. To my mind he has been treated shabbily by the club and if I was him I would leave at the end of the season.

What position?

Who did you play for BTW?

Bit harsh, he was our main ruckman, not a follower forward and 113 goals is ok in that role. Sandilands at 211 cms and and 16 cms taller than White and who plays a lot forward, 241 games and 92 goals. Mumford 129 games and 44 goals. Max Gawn at 208cms and who plays forward a fair bit, especially early on, has 52 games and 30 goals. Goldstein 159 games and 80 goals.

Correct. That is the very thing that coaches have employed for 100 years, to get players to give of their best. You need to be emotionally invested to give everything, otherwise you just coast. Didn't come to play". Have we heard that before?

That is just plain wrong.

Jeff White was not A+ grade standard, gee, give me a few more of his type any day.

It may also mean that they find out what Prestia wants to do and if he says he is staying or going to another club, then they make a statement that he was not their real target, so they don't appear to have lost him.

I think you will find that Salem is one player who will not want to leave Victoria. We haven't seen the best of him yet due to illness and I can't see the club entertaining any notion of a trade for him. He will hopefully become our next Adem Yze.

The old Old Dee is back.